one simple question on everyones lips ..where are you Justin? The one person that's behind so much heartache won't come out of his shell in case someone will step on him. Give us those figures you claim to the world are making us millionaires because no one I've spoken to in real estate has sen them. And you are supposed to be for the working man! I'm voting Liberal next time...
ms
mr
:oops: What people seems not to understand is 10acres/ 4 hectres with a nice house can be worth 1 million or more upwards to 1.5 mil now without the $95,000 tax on it .. ( Land not in the urban growth area) Land may have a shak or a 3 family mansion built on it That 10 acres will not go up to 10 million l bet :evil: :cry: ,, Also Remember Developers usually pay 10% deposit and 5 /10 % in payments over 5 to 10/20 years :roll: . So we are left with a GAIC Tax and High Rates for that time :!: = probably a heart attack and a loan from the bank ,, :cry: This is effecting a lot of peoples heath and mine included :( :?: :idea: ...
Everything in this speech makes perfect, logical sense. On the other hand every argument coming from the GAA for imposing this tax is illogical, cash-grabbing tripe. If they are already talking about having a 'hardship relief board' then surely alarm bells should be ringing that this legislation has fundamental flaws. Its not brain surgery - charge the tax at development stage and all the problems are solv...
GAIC, Land Values and CKC report
The report that the Government has based their claim of landowner "windfall profits" was prepared by CKC consultants. The GAA claims that before land came into the UGB it was worth $15,000 per hectare and many times that post UGB. Tell me where in Melbourne you can buy land for $15,000 per hectare? I suspect the Government is misquoting or has cooked the figures (I suspect they are comparing land in the UGB with rural land anywhere else in the State - which is a dud comparison). I have requested a copy of the CKC report from the GAA without reply. If the evidence truly supports their argument - why won't they release i...
Urban Growth Boundary
I was at the meeting in Woodstock town hall on 7 july 09 and commitee announced that Danielle Green was behind the push to oppose the E6 freeway, what i don't understand is Danielle Green!!!! Her choice in what to support. she virtually said to all the people at Beveridge meeting they they didn't understand what was in the proposal,and that some people we're there just to make noise and it didn't effect them, and now miss two goody wants to save our region (northern) by not supporting the freeway proposal, how convenient Miss Green.
And as for Justin Madden, please come out in a real world where people deal with real everyday issues and trying to support their own family as well as you Mr Madden (paying your wages) but obviously -you- Mr Madden have no idea how real people are effected by your proposals and overinflated prices that will a land holder get when under UGB. wake up Mr Madden and take a walk, because you're hurting a lot of Families, who have worked so hard to get to that positi...
mythbustyn madden
what a c...
Brumby out of touch with people
John Brumby has lost touch with the people of Victoria (if he ever was in touch!) Simon Madden is the poor smuck given the onerous job of trying to sell this badly researched tax. Hopefully after his meeting with representatives of Taxedout last Monday he is much more aware of ramifications on families. We still need to keep up the fight and encourage all your neighbours to write etc. to all politicians to make sure thay know we won't give up easi...
Justin Madden
You must be dreaming, like the rest of your cohorts. I dont see ANY developers knocking on my door offering me 10 fold. You & your developer dinning mates, are intent on bleeding us dry, through high rates and land taxes over a prolonged period. CAN YOU GUARANTEE ON PAPER IM GOING TO GET 10 TIMES THE VALUE OF MY CURRENT PROPERTY. Which has NO WATER,NO SEWERAGE & NO GAS.
and poor roa...
GAA JOKE
A Casey Council Planning report got it right when they said the following:
"This time the government has put the cart before the horse by first drawing a boundary and then proposing to draw up a plan to fit inside it. This goes against all the principles of sound strategic planning suggesting the decision to move the UGB may lack the appropriate context, expertise and advice for an informed and balanced decision to have been mad...
Land Grab Shock
Compulsory Acquisition
Hi all,
Just to add to that the amount of home and landowners that have to clear out of properties due to the Native grasslands reserve that the government is also proposing to put in place. Much of this land in this study area has little or even no significant native vegetation on it.....a sweetener for the Greens no doubt, but I just question the value of land infested with serrated tussock as having any value at all. Continue the fight....you are doing a marvelous job and you have my full suppor...
The Age Letters to Editor July 8
Read today's Letters to the Editor in the Age - take out references to "Williamstown" and insert $95K implications, and they could all be talking about ...
GAIC
I think all Victorian should be very worried by the GAIC. It seems to be this Government's strategy to apply taxes by stealth and then to widen the net and impose the same unfair taxes on others. The amendments to the planning legislation that could declare any area in Victoria a "growth Zone" was very ominous.
I am totally opposed to the underhand methods by which this Government is imposing "stealth taxes" - and very opposed to the GA...
land grab
is this government off ...
native land
When we received the news about our property and house could be taken away from us due to native land we were very disappointed especially because we have four beautiful children who not only love where we live but also have 8 years of enjoyment on our land and we cannot take this away from them. So please think of the future for all the children out there.
I really don't think there's any easy way to explain to your children that the government is taking our home away from us. ...
Gaic Concept
I think it would be most appropriate if we could learn who it was,individual or group,within the branch (s)of the ALP who dreamt up this GAIC Concept.
I believe this tax has been spawned from jealousy and now driven by Developer groups and to heck with the landowners.
Does any one have the courage within the ALP to claim this initiative as their very own
Adr...
Have Your Say
The GAIC is a disgrace
The Labor Goverment should be ashamed! This tax is an attack on hard-working families from a government that has lost the plot and can't see past the cash grab. They are ruining lives at any cost. Bring on the electi...
I still haven't got a reasonable answer to the question of why people/companies who on sell land after buying it from the original land owner (who has payed the tax) don't pay any tax at all. Onselling has happened at least 2/3 times on some properties in mt area epping North). What are your though...
Mr
The Government need to leave good honest hardworking Aussies alone, the whole tax system is becoming a joke ...
ms
Hi Bruce,
On-selling has also happened in the Beveridge area. Under the Government's GAIC proposal the poor sucker who sells first for the lowest price pays ALL of the tax, while those who manage to on-sell for large profits pay nothing. This proposal is grossly unfair :x The tax should be paid when the land is actually develope...
I don’t know where to start with this. I'm so upset at the way this Government treats people, it’s not just the Tax, but if you look at everything they do you wonder how on earth these ignorant morons can be in power.
In my case I have only 1.65 acres. (as do many others in my area).
It’s taken my 28 years to finally pay off my house.
As with many people in my situation, I made many sacrifices to reach this point in my life and it didn’t come easy.
My house is situated in the middle of the block. I really can’t subdivide without tearing the house down.
After 28 years and many renovation hours, I would sooner die than see the house torn down.
My land will never by subdivide, yet my Rates have doubled since the government declared it a growth area.
I have 2 disabled children, if I die and leave them the house, they would be hit for the tax.
The government is so indiscriminate that it’s criminal.
Madden said the tax is for services, I’ve gone 28 years without services so I don’t need them now. (i.e. no water, gas sewage etc). I’ve spent thousands on water tanks a self contained sewerage system. Will they compensate me for these?
Some morons from the Urban Land Authority came around the other day.
They looked at our place and said it would be a good place for a Park because it has native grasses and trees on it. They were saying to clear the house and make it a park
I couldn’t believe what they were saying, because across the road from my place there are already 2 football fields and a National Park !
Sa...
tax
We have been on the land for 30 years and will not be able to afford the rates if the land is rezoned. And selling to move onwill not be an option as the government then makes their grab for the tax. Pension here we com...
Hi Sam,
On 17th June, Madden announced that your principal place of residence and up to 2 hectares (5 acres) will be exempt from the GAIC, so you should be OK as far as the tax goes. You will still be hit by increased council rates however. For more information on latest announcements and exemptions click on the GAIC: THE REAL FACTS tab and go to the bottom of the screen and click on "Latest Taxed Out GAIC fact sheet...
Taxed & Rated to the hilt
I would like to thank the TAXEDOUT commitees for bringing our plight to those that do not wish to listen to individuals -Growth Authority & Labour simply send out their propergander!!!
Since being in the UGB in 2005- our rates have jumped from $3,000 to $20,000 then to $46,000 this year.DON"T expect any joy from your local council as they reap the benefits - they also are most unsympathetic on the problems of individuals -their comment is similar to the GAIC "but the value of your land is increased so you must pay the increased rates" I hate to think what our rates would be if anyone in our area sold for what Madden quotes as that is what the valuer uses as a guide.
It is a no win situation for the owner of the land at present---KEEP UP THE FIGHT & GOOD LUCK - ...
TAX GRAB
Your leaflet handed out by your hardworking reps at the Bulla Meeting raised several relevant issues for affected landowners now and in the future. The big question is how are we going to stop the dictators posing as leaders of a democratic society from imposing their unwanted taxes upon us? Their pretence at having discussions with the community is just that - "discussions". They, the current labor government, have no real intentions of carrying out the democratic will of the people and I fear that all those unaffected uninformed labor voting supporters of the government will continue using their vote to keep a non democratic government in power whose members are only interested in extracting as much out of the political system for themselves and their lobbying buddies. I for one believe Justin Madden should be sacked and Mr. Brumby should examine his ideals as a labor leader and ask himself very earnestly if he is a leader of the people for the peop...
GAIC
Please change on your website the heading "fighting for a fairer GAIC" as there is no such thing as a fair GAIC it should be "NO GAIC"
The GAIC should only be paid by the developer of the la...
Funding options
Tax is one funding source.
Government has other funding options.
The India - Pacific rail line was built years ago with credit created by government at no debt cost to the public. A large part of the Snowey Scheme was funded similarly.
Public infrastructure can again be funded by credit created by government.
It takes your public effort to have that accepted and to happen ... and to stop these unfair tax hik...
population growth
Our stste government has become an agent for land developers and the growth industry that makes money and profits from increasing our population. The initial benefits are clear, but it is the people of Victoria who will ultimately pay more for all the infrastructure and facilities. Already our water is at an all time low, but we still get 2000 new consumers every week! We are silenced by the media about "racism" if we criticize our excessive immigration, and student PR numbers. Sustainable growth is an oxymoron, and it is all about money and profits for Brumby's mate...
Terms contracts
Something the government has not addressed is the fact developers generally purchase land on terms.
A contract for the sale of land with an extended time frame of say 5-10 years until settlement means the landowner is in a vulnerable position.
Legally a purchaser, entering into a terms contract, can call for a transfer of the title, at any time prior to settlement. A transfer of the title to a non family member will trigger the charge.
This means a landowner maybe in the position where the the GAIC is payable yet 80 - 90% of the purchase price has not been received.
Another fine mess you have got us into Mr Brumby
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land tax
we have a property in the clyde area,
which we have worked hard to pay off.
Being in our sixties, we would like to retire,BUT now we find ourselves
in a very serious state, with brumbys
giac tax and the council rates.
we cannot believe we have this looming
over our head.
SHAME, SHAME, TO THE BRUMBY GOV. TAKE NOTE - YOU WILL NEVER BE ELECTED AG...
depressed
I have lived on my property for 25 years and paid all my taxes working two jobs and this is our reward from our Victorian leaders.My neighbours and friends have cut up all my ropes into little pieces taking away all my sharp tools and drained my dam.Please AXE THE TAX for me so I live in pea...
EXTENTING THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDRYS
The Whittlesea Ratepayers Association
recommends that this leglisation be completely thrown out by the Liberals and minor parties in the upper house not ammended as proposed by the Liberals
The Governments own information states that there is enough land within the urban growth boundarys for the next 25 years , and that the major developers are sitting on a $70Billion dollar land bank, and are pushing the Governments Agenda, so I say to all effected, push the Liberals and minor parties to thow out this leglisation completely and for them to put it in writing...
Minor parties with big decision
I hope the Greens and the DLP care for elderly people, people who will lose their super, struggling farmers and landowners simply trying to pay a mortgage and raise their kids.
The Brumby government sure doesn't.
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land tax
peple of vic should demand an early electon to piss off (brum...
Begging to the Hardship Board
It seems we'll all have to beg for concessions from the hardship board. It will be a very busy board trying to deal with this unworkable crazy GAIC tax. Brumby say's we are all developers - do we look like developers? I see honest hard working people who have chosen to bring up their kids outside the city, and farmers, some whose family's have been there for 150 years. Labor must ...
How many Taxes
How many taxes can Governments load onto our freehold land? Capital Gains Tax, Local Government Tax(Rates), Land Tax, GST, Drainage Tax, Income Tax, Stamp Duty, now GAIC. Its just too much. Anyone in Victoria who owns land will get a version of the GAIC soon. Madden say's we are greedy, we know who's gree...
what the? - ridiculous
when I first heard of the GAIC Ithought it was a joke. Telling others about it they thought the same. The tax can destroy the financial positon of ordinary people who wont see any great windfall from increase in their rproperty value. This tax demonstrates how unfair the Government can be and should be fought by all, not just those who a directly and/or currently affect...
Response to GAIC
Everyone don’t forget that Councils and State Government actually work for us, we pay their salary. Lets demand our politicians and Councillors act in our best interest, not in the best interest of the rich Developers that make political donations in return for “Favours”.
Mr Brumby is acting as arrogantly as Mr Howard was before he got put out of office. Obviously, neither Labor or the Liberals can behave properly when given a clear majority, so lets ensure these parties don’t have a majority again.
Make your vote count at the next State or Council elections...
Werribee Banner Article dated 22/7/09 reflects the
Werribee Banner
Retirement dreams fade
22/07/2009 4:00:00 AM
JUNE Dossett was among the many protesters in the city last week. The 76-year-old - barely half the size of Victorian Planning Minister Justin Madden - clutched a megaphone and shared her story with the 500-strong crowd.
Ms Dossett lives on a four-hectare property in Tarneit with her 78-year-old husband and has been a vocal contributor to growth area infrastructure tax meetings in Melton and Wyndham. The couple says they want the freedom to sell their property - where they have lived for more than 30 years - and move to a retirement village. But with a property she values at $500,000, a $380,000 contribution tax would leave the couple with just $120,000.
"We're left with nothing," she said. "We feel devastated because we haven't got a future." Ms Dossett said the proposed tax was causing a lot of stress to elderly residents who wanted peace of mind during their retirement. "I think it's unfair. They should be thinking of getting the developers to pay for it. "We've had to live without water and the roads are bad, but we put up with it because we like the area. Now we're threatened with paying for people to live here in the future." Rockbank resident and Taxed Out spokeswoman Nola Dunn said many of her neighbours were nearing retirement and the stress of the tax announcement was affecting their health. "They're panicking. Many are living off superannuation and can't get a pension as their land will now have to be revalued."
Ms Dunn said protesters were still seeking figures from the State Government explaining how it had valued properties in the extended urban growth boundary. "We just want to see the figures." She said the rally was a great success.
"If we can make more people aware of what is happening then more people will realize that this isn't fair."
Shane Worrell
Opinion by Michael at Woodstock.
This GAIC Tax is an absolute disgrace. Any Government should hang its head in shame to be associated with it.
Anybody in Victoria that owns more than five acres needs to stop and take action now over this huge tax. Keep in mind, the Urban Growth Boundary (UGB) is a line on a map. It has just been drawn around thousands of people’s properties without consent. Once this Tax tool is passed in Parliament an UGB can be drawn around any city or town centre in Victoria. Do you honestly believe Politicians saying "Oh no! We wouldn't draw one around Ballarat”?
If this poor woman in Tarneit is right in saying her land is worth $500,000 then the GAIC Tax will steal 76% of the value of her life's work and savings.
But, just for one moment, let’s entertain the ridiculous fantasy Premier Brumby and Minister Madden use to justify this theft. Let’s pretend that this massive land area now in this UGB magically doubles in value overnight! An incredible miracle! Mr. Brumby can you please perform this miracle on the Stock Market as well because our Super is shot to hell!
But let’s just pretend, like Minister Madden and Premier Brumby do, this woman's land doubled in value to $1,000,000. The same $380,000 tax represents 38% of her home!
This is not a business loss written off on tax. This is no corporation. This is no developer who passes on the costs onto each and every house block he develops and sells. This is a woman’s personal private property, paid for after tax. She has paid the mortgage, she has paid the rates, she has paid the bills and she has taken all the risks and sacrifices along the way.
This woman has the right to this property and whatever the free market deems it to be worth, without this Government, regardless of the financial situation this Government finds itself in, stealing anywhere between 20% and 80% of its value
I call on Premier Brumby, the Minister for Planning Mr. Madden, and the Growth Area Authority CEO Mr. Seamer to publicly announce that they will “Contribute” 30% of the future sale price of their own private homes to the GAIC Funds to prove how fair they believe this Tax to be.
I propose that anyone that will be victimized by this Tax, if it is forced through Parliament against the will of the people, demand these Public Servants put themselves in our financial position for the good of “Future Communities”. The same justification these men use to introduce this tax applies to their homes. Suburban and seaside property prices have rocketed over the years compared to rural prices. They have enjoyed an incredible “Windfall” in their property values. Many areas have doubled twice in value in ten years. It’s only fair that they “Share the Windfall” by providing the infrastructure for “new communities” just like the infrastructure they have enjoyed over the years
This is an immoral Tax that undermines the basic rights of property ownership in Victoria. I don’t believe for one moment that these three men deeply and honestly believe it to be fair or justifiable. If they claim they do then make the announcement I propose which will prove their conviction.
Michae...
Unrivalled Greed by a State Government
The current proposal for this GAIC Tax displays the true nature of this Brumby Labor Government. Never in political history in Australia has such unrivalled greed been displayed by a Government, State of Federal.
What level of desperation is driving Premier Brumby and Minister Madden to make such disgusting decisions and plot to steal the life's work and savings of thousands of Victorian families, farmers and small property owners?
Is the State of Victoria so broke under this Government that it will be bankrupt if this new tax is not collected now? Instead of waiting untill the land use changes and those that actually seek to develope the land and therefore collect the lion's share of any uplift in value. At that point in time the tax could be levied fairly at the point of development.
New South Wales does this and they do not need a 'hardship board' for people to beg for mercy. People have the right right to sell their property without giving the proceeds to the State Government. This proposal will shock every property owner in Victoria when the main media exposes the truth.
Joce...
Urban Growth Debarcle
I have just attended a Rally this morning at TABCORP Park Melton. What a suprise Mr Maddern actually got out of his car and spoke to our congregation he listened to our speeches and then gave his own opinions, if we dont want to be included in the Urban Growth Boundary we should speak to his department or write to them and tell them exactly that.To me it sounded like no matter what we say if we are in the Growth corridor we will pay the TAX. Everybody needs to write to Mr Maddern and keep writing to his department because they want that TAX paid at point of 1st sale and they don't care who they hurt on the way..... :( :( :cr...
Infrastructure Maintenance
The levying of this tax against the land owner is grossly unfair. By trying to control the real estate market the government is getting into a very risky business. Unless a proportion of this tax (regardless of who pays) gets passed onto Local Government who will ultimately have the responsibility of maintaining new assets/infrastructure we can expect a double rate rise. One when the property values rise and the second when Council realises it doesn't have the funds to maintain all these new asset. Come on Government think this through - clearly you haven't so far :evi...
Labor Party Business Acumen
As I grew up in the midst of what was always known as some of Labor heartland territory, I was indoctrinated by my parents to always vote Labor as being the champions of the working class, whatever that meant, All I can see now however is that you bust your ar-- trying to put together a means by which one can retire with some satisfaction in the knowledge that hard work and sacrifice will eventually bring its own
rewards.And now on the eve of our claiming our just deserts, along comes the working class champions dedicated to robbing our honey pot of our years of toil.
My parents would turn in their grave to know that their misguided advice would lead to this betrayal of the working class by their own kind .
Adriana
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Blatent Rip off
Thank you Micheal for your comments, since my comments at the meeting in the city I have learnt that I am worse off than I first thought as at the time I had noted from newspaper articles that the Tax was for the first 4ha not as I now found out 2ha which will wipe us out completly even owing the goverment as for the so called increase in value that is no good to the people who need to sell their property in the near future, keep up the good work everybody may be some one hear our voices June Doss...
Response to Madden
C'mon Madden..divert the topic from an unfair tax to removal from the UGB. What about people already inside the 2005 UGB? Still want to tax them $80,000 or will it be more to make up for the shortfall? You don't need a delegation of people to meet with you AGAIN as you're pal Seamer has the stories of heartbreak and despair already on his desk in the form of over 3000 submissions against the GAIC. Do you honestly think you can draw little lines all around a map. this proves continually of his 'policy on the run'. Wake up and put it back to point of development, ie on the developers.. the ones that make the most profit out of our la...
The Maddening crowed grows
I have just looked at the GAA website they are now going to take a further 18 months to undertake environmental and cultural investigations. Until that is completed who is going to buy property with unknown development potential?
These studies should have been done prior to announcing the boundary change. The government has not only impacted property values with the proposed GAIC but for the next two years no one will know what can be developed.
Morons.
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Hasn't it always been "User Pays" for everything e
Sure there are some land-owners that are set to make substantial gains on the sale of their property and why shouldn’t they? We all sit on properties that appreciate over the years. I am sure that Madden's property has risen in price over the years and when he sells, he will want and expect to make a profit. No one wants to make a loss. He will not be expected to pay an exit tax when he sells. This is what this tax is. Stamp Duties when we purchase and GAIC when we sell BUT this tax only affect land-owners with larger acreage. They’ve lived on their properties that have had no roads, no infrastructure and go without some utilities such as gas and mains water and sewerage connection. The only way they will make any gains is ONLY IF their land is sold to a land-developer sometime in the near future. Some land-owners do not have 20 years to be approached by a developer.
I live in the Strathtulloh Estate and our property of just 9 acres, falls just outside of the UGB, however I am fighting the proposed legislation along with those that are in the UGB. I have attended meetings and I have listened to people’s stories and heard them cry. I am terribly concerned that if the GAIC tax is legislated in its current form, people will be forced off their land because their land will be rezoned UGB by their Council; and will then incur higher rates. One lady gave me an account of what she is paying in rates now, around $2,000; however it is set to increase to around $12,000. This lady is a pensioner and stated to me that there is no way she can afford to pay her rates therefore she will have to sell and this could mean to anyone (not a land-developer). She said that she can’t sell immediately because of the proposed legislation but does ultimately need to sell (to downsize). She said that she would be hit with the tax but of course could not sell for what the land MAY be worth in 20 years time. The tax would actually be more than the current property value. She would be left with nothing but a bill to the State Government. This is ludicrous. She intended her land to be her superannuation and it has been a place that she has lived all of her life. What a dilemma she is in! I really felt for her. Who could deny that this is a “Killer” Tax for a lot of people?
Most, as I said, will have to just sell to down size or go into nursing homes because they are in their 70’s and 80’s. They will not pass on a debt to their children and they don’t have 20 years to wait for a developer to come knocking on their door to purchase their land. We are told that the tax stands on the first sale and NOT JUST at development stage only. So this is a huge concern of the people.
We all understand that there must be an infrastructure tax; however it should only be paid by the developer at point of development - as is done in other states. It will ultimately be the developer that will make the biggest financial gain. The developer will subdivide the land into hundreds of allotments and will tack on the GAIC tax onto the price of each of the allotments. The purchaser will therefore be paying the tax which would form a part of their purchase price. It is the purchaser that will be benefiting from the new infrastructure, so why shouldn’t they pay? It has always been “User Pays” for everything else– so why change it now? No one loses out this way. We all have figured out why the State Government wants this legislation passed - It's just one hell of a massive money grab! They need and want the money asap and this is the way they can get it fast. We know it because they've run out of money. Do they really think we are all stupid.
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Madden Shields Developers from GAIC
Planning Minister Madden made the following statement in relation to why they insist the GAIC Tax is triggered at first sale inside the UGB.
"We are interested in recouping the contribution at that point because that is where the most significant change in the value of the land occurs."
This statement is absolutely and undeniably wrong. It is the exact opposite of the truth. the Value of land increases extremely slowly where the land is 30 or 25 years from actual homes being built. The value curves upwards as housing developments creep towards the outer land in the UGB. By the time your property is 10 years away from development the value is rising firmly. In the last 5 years the value skyrockets. This is the truth. It always has been.
Has this Labor Government accepted Political donations from developers?
Why does this Government insist the Developers that make the real money, do not pay any Tax towards the Infrastructure? This Government needs to explain it's real motives on this Proposed Tax.
There is simply no moral excuse that can be used to justify this GAIC Tax. It is excessive and targets the wrong people. It represents a new level of State Government Gre...
How the GAIC affects me
I have an interest in an 11 hectare property in Beveridge. We have paid rates for past 17 years with nil return. Can't even grow a crop on the land due to the drought. Our rates have gone up 300% in the past year. Now if we want to sell the GAIC will take over 50% of the sale price based on a current valuation. We still have to pay Capital Gains Tax on top of this. Madden's "UGB windfall" claims are nonsense. The GAIC is a disgrac...
How will the GAIC effect us
Just when we thought a comfortable retirement was looming, along comes Mr Brumby & Mr Madden's GAIC ($1.4million on our 16 hectares) - are we in or out of the new UGB ? If we are in our rates will increase dramatically by up to 10 times. Our rates would be more than our annual income (Age Pension) If we are out who will want to buy this property, in a drought declared area ?? This year the GAIC is going to be $95,000 per hectare, then of course it will be indexed to goodness knows what, by the time we are able to sell. This tax should be levied on to the developers - they are the ones who will make the big money. Roll on election time. Goodbye Mr Brumby & frien...
taxed out
Apart from the tax the immediate problem is the council rates that will bankrupt many families. As yet I am not affected but I believe that it is creating a nightmare for all, especially those who are affected now and those who will be in the future. If it is not stopped now how many more will fall under the new tax when they decide to increase or change the boundries.
Supposedly wealthy families will leave an enormous debt to the next generation....
Main Stream Media Dilemma
Jocelyn, what ever you have stated is true, except the last statement regarding the main stream media. As long as the main stream media is josting for labour government's advertising dollar I cannot see this happening. They would rather cover stories about neighbours being kept awake by bantam roosters (ACA) than investigate and expose government's blatant attempt to tax home owners out of their life's work. Our unelected Premier, and his labour cronies will not stop at Melbourne's Urban Growth Boundary, once legislation is passed it will spread throughout Victoria! MUST FIGHT THIS TO THE END! J...
windfall
Brumby, Madden and all the other labour party puppets keep harping about the windfall, the homeowners will have, and they need to tap into it for infrastructure. I would like to know what happened to the windfall Brumby inhereted from Jeff Kennett! He Blew it! and now he wants ou...
This tax is retrospective in that alone unfair. Toolern (Melton Growth Corridor) brought into the UGB in 2005, has not started development and there is approximately 20 years supply. Some of these properties proposed to be brought into the UGB will not be developed for 30 to 40 years. This means the owners at the latter stages will have to suffer huge rates for a long time, before they can sell their homes at a value that enables them to pay this tax. Developers do not pay high prices for land that is this far from development. This tax will only extend the developers’ process of purchasing closer to development as the carrying cost of this tax will dramatically increase the cost of the end house block. Professor Michael Buxton, an RMIT planning expert who has written a detailed report on Melbourne's Green Wedges, chaired the Premier's green wedges taskforce. Describes the development going on in Melbourne's growth corridors as “internationally worst practice - it's an absolute outrage...
What a JOKE!!
This state Government is a joke! T...
How this GAIC Tax affected me
I live in a Growth Area at Woodstock and am not personally caught by this imoral and excessive tax that will take over half the current sale value of my neibours properties.
The reason I am not caught with the GAIC Tax is that my property will be taken by compulsory aquirision for the E6 Freeway/Tollway if it goes ahead.
However I am so deeply offended by this proposed Tax that I have spent many evenings writing to Politicians for my neibours, many of whom are old and not really able to express themselves. Almost all of them have little or no 'Super' because of their age group. Their land is the only 'Super' they have to retire on.
These ordinary people should not be humiliated, bunkrupted and cast aside to supply infrastructure for young first home buyers with a lifetime of 'Super' ahead of them.
And a 'Hardship Board'!! Mr Brumby go to hell!
Mich...
Compensation
If Madden is correct and everyone will get $356,000 per hectare regardless of development timing then run a freeway through my property but pay me compensation at the same rate.
I bet the land will be magically worth a lot less when it is compulsorily acquir...
How can the upper house stop this ?
:oops: l thought there was a law against discrimination ? forcing people off their land by upping Rates . ? and $95,000 tax as preposed . Also Back dating a tax and going against the will of the people guess l am in fairy land as well as the governm...
Who represents the people?
It seems neither Brumby or Madden or their advisors have bothered to read the reports that underpin this flawed tax policy.
They are rleying soley on what the Growth Area Auhtority are saying,the one's who get funded by the tax.
Don Nardella, Tim Pallas, Danielle Green and Tammy Lobato sure haven't read them. Yet they repeat the same dribble that comes from the GAA.
You have to ask yourself if any Labor politician has read any of these reports.
They will actively vote to have this tax introduced in Palriamnet next month and in doing so hurt many families and the elderly. Not one of them will cross the floor and not one of them deserves you vote next year. ...
Letters to Mr Brumby and Mr Madden sent
When we first heared about this Tax I along with other interested persons wrote to various Ministers including Mr Brumby and Mr Madden expressing out horror and dismay, I received some replies but noticabley absent were replies from Mr Madden and Mr Brumby ( 2 Letters written to Mr Brumby it seems they are not interested in what the families in the areas they have chosen to tax think they will go ahead regardless just money grabb...
Monate sp?ter gehackt wurden, mit dem Result...
l bet the submissions get filed in the same draw
GAIC
We live in Officer and for the past 2yrs local Council have been saying our property will be rezoned to Res 1. We all know when this happens our rates will triple or more with no added benefit to the rate payer. So if you cant afford the rate increase your next option is to sell and move on, but if we do that we will be hit with the GAIC tax, where is all this fair? We decided 14yrs ago to raise our family in a semi rural area, worked hard to buy the land (even though its only 1 hectare) build a nice home, now we'll either be rated out or taxed out or BOTH!!! We know who we're voting for next state election...
axa the tax
The Mr brumby & Mad Madden need to be kicked out of politic's real fast. The're sure Not to get my voted for next years election.
We brought our 10 acers of land in beveridge in 2003. We have 3 kids that love where they live and love our hobby farm. We have sheep, chook's, goats, geese, a dog , and a cat. We have put our hearts and sole's into our property, so that one day we all can have a bright future.
It's not alot of land but its all we have. If this unfair taxes passes through parliment, we will be financial ruined. My 3 children will have there inheritance taken away from them. WE would be penny less, wouldn't be able to buy another property similar to what we have. We would be forced to live in a shitty over crowed suburb.
This government needs to be stopped!!
WE pay our taxes, we pay our rates, we paid our stamp duty on our land, we paid GST on all our building materials to build our house and MR Brumby wants us to pay more taxes for the GAIC Tax I say take US OUT of the urban growth boundry we have had enough in paying taxes i dont want any of the windfall that they claim we would recieve.
Kathryn caminti
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I agree totally with Damian. It would be more logic (and fair) for the tax to be paid by the developers. They are the ones making the huge profi...
City of Whittlesea on GAIC
Where does the City of Whittlesea stand on this Tax? Many other Councils are making clear and definate statements and submissions against this Imoral Tax. They are standing up for their Rural Communities, supporting their farmers and small land owners rights to the free market value of their properties.
Demand the City of Whittlesea takes a position on this unfair tax that will devistate it's residents. If they do not have an opinion demand to know w...
Where's Wyndham?
Naidin,Wyndham council still refuses to oppose or support the GAIC stating it has "no role in this matter as it is not the responsible authority for the implementation of the GAIC" But hold on you represent people who voted for you to uphold their rights in a democratic society, so surely you SHOULD take a stand against the GAIC! If local govt doesnt stand up for its ratepayers who will or are they scared of not getting their little piece of the supposed 'windfall' via an increase in rates. Shame on you councillors for believing the untruths being expounded by the govt. THERE is NO 10 fold increase, unless you develop, your land is pretty much the same as it always has been except your neighbor outside the UGB is better off than you as he doesnt have to pay the tax. Stand up Wyndham Councillors, show some backbone as others have done! Vote NO to a landowners GA...
GAIC Tax
With the proposed $95,000 per hectare tax on property, owners within the new Urban Growth Boundary, Brumby and Madden have created two classes of citizen in Victoria. Those who use infrastructure and those who ...
GAIC Rip-Off
Brumby's proposed tax is nothing more than a blatant money grabbing rip-off. It is the Government's role to provide infrastructure and build schools and hospitals and provide public transport and then its the developers role to provide roads and utility services within a given parcel of land. They're ripping more and more from us all the time. How much is enough? They wouldn't dare bring in such a tax to suburban homeowners. Any government who brings in this tax is dead in the wate...
Labor failing the people
Julia Gillard's electorate includes landowners caught up in this tax. What does her office say " it is a state matter"
Labor politicians in the Brumby government have been told to all vote for the tax despite what their constituents say.
Councils want to sit and wait until they see the legislation.
Shame on you all for ignoring the people, three levels of government and not one representing the families, elderly, sick and the dead caught up in this despicable tax.
Remember every sick person has a mother and every dead person has a family, they will never forgive you for what you are trying to do.
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Brumby's hidden agenda
All the people want is for the GAIC to be levied at the development stage – both Brumby and Madden are deaf, dumb and blind to this option? I wonder if it's because their hidden agenda is to apply this tax to all property sales throughout Victoria? The Labor party should be ashamed of themselves for even considering putting constituents in financial hardship and perhaps this is the reason Brumby is and will remain the unelected Premie...
Subject: Growth Area - Point of View
Dear Mr. Madden,
I am writing to you in relation to an answer you gave in Parliament to a question put forward by Mr Peter Kavanagh MLC on the 3rd September 2009.
Specifically, I would like to refute one assertion that you made and to put forward my concerns regarding three aspects of the proposed GAIC.
First of all, I can categorically state that I have asked not to be part of the Urban Growth Area. I'm happy living in this area, we have a great community and we all enjoy the freedom and amenity that is afforded us by living in this area. If that point of view has not previously been communicated to you, I am now formally doing so.
I am well aware that my request is unlikely to be heard favourably, and so I need to put forward three points about the GAIC that I believe to be harsh and unfair.
First, I should explain my position: we have lived on our hobby farm of 10 acres (approx 4 Ha) for about 15 years. We grow some produce, keep chooks and horses and generally enjoy “the Good Life”. We have struggled through the drought to keep our orchards going by the use of re-cycled water – all without any assistance from governments (state or federal).
As I have said, there are three specific points that I would like to raise:
• The illusory nature of the windfall profits that you are ascribing to our situation post re-zoning;
• The dysfunctional nature of the GAIC as proposed, and;
• Our inability to stay on our land in the face of rising rates.
Windfall Profits
Whilst broad acre landholders will undoubtedly achieve some large profits on their landholdings, I am speaking about my owns situation (and whilst I don't represent my neighbours, I know that their situation will be very similar to mine). The commercial value of our property is tied up in the improvements in a disproportionate manner than that which prevails for broad acre landholders. My most recent rates notice values the land at $466,000 or $116,500 per hectare (approx). Now applying your oft stated 10 fold gain in property prices, I'd be looking at $4.6 million – and if you'd like to write me a cheque I'll be happy to take your offer! My understanding is that land in this area is more likely to achieve $120,000 per acre so my land is likely to be worth about $1.2 million.
So something like $750,000 increase in land value. Still not a bad return on a commercial basis, until you remember that I have a house, sheds and orchards on this land – all of these improvements have a commercial value of approximately $400,000.
Subtract the GAIC at $95,000 per hectare and I am actually worse off even before I start looking for a new property that can sustain my lifestyle and amenity.
There are other costs associated with moving to another property:
• Move costs and legals – at least $20,000;
• Stamp duty on the new property - $40,000;
• Additional travel time to get to work – at least $20,000 per year;
In addition, there are huge lifestyle and social dislocation costs associated with splitting up our community. I can't put a dollar value on these costs – but they far outweigh any of the dollar values that I have outlined above.
In summary, for the vast majority of the people who are to be affected by this proposal, they will end up financially, socially and spiritually impoverished by your proposal.
Dysfuntional Nature of the GAIC
Whether or not a growth contribution should be levied, I would put it to you that it should be levied in a manner that is fair, equitable and does not distort the property market.
The immediate affect of your proposal is that no-one in this area can sell their property. If we sell at the going rate of a rural landholding we will get stung with the GAIC – so our $800,000 farm might nett us $400,000 after paying your tax. We can't sell to developers at the urban rate yet, and many of us will be locked into this situation for decades to come. This is a totally untenable situation for a government to place it's citizens in.
Forced to Sell
Once the new growth area is declared, it is certain that the rates will increase in line with the increased land value – even though it may be many years before this increase in value can be realised.
This will result in an effective pincer movement on landholders in this area – we will be forced to sell, but will only be able to sell at rural prices and then get hit by the GAIC.
Like most of my neighbours, my wife and I have worked long and hard to buy our property – your proposed legislation will steal the fruit of our labour from us – IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!
Regards
David Booth
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GAIC
After reading the information on this site, I am sitting at the desk, wondering how on earth the government that is meant to represent and provide services for the people, has the power to fundamentally ruin people's lives, and steal from them everything they and their families have worked for. How disgusting!
Regards, To...
Labour MPs
To the Labour MPs of Victoria living and governing in a democracy, elected by the people to represent the people. How many of you ladies & gentlemen believe that it is right to impose a tax on a minority for infrastructure that will be used and benefited by all? Awaiting your respon...
Open Letter to Minister Justin Madden
I am writing to inform you that I am taking your offer to be excluded out of the UGB. My property is in Rockbank Victoria.
I am not interested in your ficitonal ten-fold land value increase. You have not provided any proof to justify your claims, your credibility as a Minister bestowed to represent the people of Victoria is under scrutiny.
I believe you are being coaxed and fed alot of "bull" by beaurocrats & advisors. I also believe that you are not as dumb as you may sound, but you chose to be, to protect your standing in the Labour Party and your financial future.
Put yourself in my shoes and tell me that you believe the spin (lies). Grow some "nuts" and release the Charter Keck Cramer Report. Waiting on yor reply! NOT holding my breath!
Jack Ivanko...
GAIC
It seems the GAIC has been returned to the policy makers for amendment. The suggested time frame for introduction into parliament is now November.
Any change must shift the GAIC away from the title owner to another trigger point such as A Statement of Compliance or Planning Permit Approval for development, otherwise landowners will still face the same problems experienced under the existing proposal.
Take the Tax off Title Ownership and there is no need for a hardship committee.
All political parties need to be aware that this is a fundamental requirement of the Taxed Out group. It will bring Victoria in line with the rest of Australia and take away the need for a Hardship Committee.
This is the fairest way to levy an Infrastructure Tax.
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taxes
this tax is horrible. i dont understand why the govt is doing is this to australian familes who already pay taxes, this tax is going to ruin families and force them to sell up. the govt should be ashamed of themselve...
ALP Economic decision making
The manner in which the introduction of the GAIC has been delivered speaks volumes on the standard of consultant professionalism hired to advise the government on this issue.It seems to me the selection of consultancy is flawed and possibly based on considerations other than aptitude and experience in the role required.
In a nutshell Jobs for the boys and forget about capacity and merit.
George ...
Liberal Party
What is the Liberal Party position concerning GAIC?.
If the Libs are fair dinkum about getting into power at the next election why don't they say they will either abolish this Tax or at the very least pass the obligation onto the developer when they develop the land.
This is the Libs chance to stand up for the farmer, and expose this hidden tax to the masses. Most people are not aware of it's existence.
Tony
Bundoora ...
Don Nardella rethinks GAIC on Landowners
Having read subject comments, I am surprised that people seem to be believing That Don is supporting us and Melton Council in rejecting the GAIC as it stands.
Nowhere does his comments refer to his rejection, they merely state that he is making Madden aware of his constituents concern on the issue. (As if he wasn't aware of it until now)
Come on DON, WHat we might believe is if you make a public statement that you DO REJECT THE PROPOSED GAIC IN ITS PRESENT FORM AND THAT YOU WILL BE VOTING AGAINST IT IN PARLIAMENT IF NOT AMENDED SO THAT DEVELOPER PAYS THE GAIC.
MOIRA
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Proposed New Land Tax
If anyone thinks it's fair to pay a tax on something you may do in 20 years time at a set rate irrespective of the relevant demographic and home specifics, then they are in polite terms, delusional!
If this does come to pass, I hate to think the kind or anarchy it will create within the home owner and tenant markets, and how much of an increase in homelessness this will impose!
Stop this madness n...
UNFAIR GAIC TAX
:( I AM VERY WORRIED WHERE THIS GOVERNMENT IS LEADING EVERYBODY!!!!
THEY ARE ROBBING THE POOR, AND HELPING THE RICH THE DEVELOPERS!!! I WILL NOT BE SELLING MY LAND, AND I WILL NOT BE PUSHED OUT BY PAYING RATES TO BE RATED OUT!!!
BRING IT ON BRUMBY, YOU WILL BE LOSING A LOT OF VOTES!!!)
SUSAN
:!: :x :evi...
I'm not a property owner but I support you!
State of Disgrace
Oh, here we go
Mr Brumby has decided to extort
A whopping great illegal tax
In a particularly shameless rort
Is anyone surprised?
After all, he is the chieftain
Of a place that was once called Victoria
And is now his private fiefdom
People thought the Liberals were bad
Yet now Labor is a curse
Though suggest the Libs might get back in
And people shriek, ‘They’d be worse!’
Both handed out contracts with impunity
To their mates, and their cronies
Who cared about anything but the people –
At the mercy of business leaders and phonies
Once upon a time
Some angry citizens in another nation
Coined a lovely phrase:
No taxation without representation
And does anyone believe
That the people of this state
Are represented by a government
They’ve come to fear and hate?
If they keep stealing people’s water
And fleecing not the rich, but the poor
And moving roads to please their mates
One day there’ll be civil war
Is this the most disgraceful excuse for a government
A democracy’s ever seen?
They’ve alienated me irretrievably
I’ve gone and joined The Green...
Another poem, re the last comment
"Power To The Party"
Men, Machiavelli wrote in The Prince
A book of more wisdom than baloney
Can suffer the loss of their fathers
Better than the loss of their patrimony
Translate that to the modern world
And I suspect I’m not alone
In thinking people can endure a lot
Provided you don’t threaten their homes
Goethe said that genius
Is knowing when to stop
I doubt there’s a genius in this government
Not one amongst the lot!
Though even if there were
Why would a Labor MP consider
Questioning decisions made by the premier
And his sidekick, the plotting minister?
For that would be a violation
Of sacred Party Unity
Their mates would shun them like they had the plague
Or even leprosy
They’d be thrown out of the treehouse
And laughed at where they fell
Or abducted in the dead of night
And thrown down a well
And once the contagion had been removed
The survivors would regroup
And pledge themselves to do the same
To the next to fly the coop
Yet the poor old folk these people rule
Expect protection from tyranny!
They’ve forgotten the politician’s golden rule:
Thou Shalt Blindly Follow The Party
If they want their interests served
They’ll have to elect one of their own
An Independent Member of Parliament
Or it’s goodbye to those home...
Poet Laureate
Love the poems - keep them coming. Our very own Taxed Out poet laureate - at least we're one-up on the Government on that sco...
Glad you liked it!
"Bring On The Election"
Australia’s a democracy
But Victoria no longer is
It’s run by and for developers –
The high priests of big biz
Their rights are etched in stone
Oh, make no mistake!
Especially if you’re a serf
On one of their estates
If they like the look of a joint
They’ll come and make their claim
And the very next thing you know
They’ll be ruling a feudal domain
One where domestic and international law
Have vanished, never to return
Your legal rights will be for them to decide
They can make you bleed and burn!
And if your proud blood boils at that
You’ll have the option of selling up
Though as for the money you raise from the sale –
Ho-hum! – they’ll take their cut
That’ll be ninety-five thousand dollars please!
Payable to Mr Brumby, my mate
Then he’ll pass it onto me
That’s how we run this state
It’ll buy roads, schools and hospitals
For the peasants on my land
Since for the government to pay for these things
Is more than they can stand
Governments were invented to provide these things? –
Is that what I hear you say?
Sorry, luvvie – get with the times
This state’s now user pays
The government takes money from Canberra
And from twenty-two different fines
Then contracts work out to people like me
So its pockets stay nicely lined
And they can spend it on the important things
You know – like Grand Prixs
They really impress the tourists
Especially ones from overseas
So, now – you understand?
You’ll pay this new land tax
And before you think of resisting
You’d better understand some facts
The rich bastards who run this state
Don’t live anywhere near you
They’re in Toorak, Brighton, Malvern, Hawthorn,
Surrey Hills, Canterbury and Kew
So they don’t have any motive
To stop this injustice, you duffers!
Why on earth would they?
They’re not going to suffer
A class action lawsuit?
You’re threatening that now?
Oh, please, don’t bother
The government has the deepest pockets in town
They’ll drag the case out for twenty years –
Their lawyers know those tricks
They’ll bankrupt every last one of you
You rebellious peasants from the sticks!
Yes, Australia’s a democracy
And Victoria a capitalist oligarchy
Where the gap between the haves and have-nots
Could not be displayed more starkly
Justice is for sale
To the highest bidder on the floor
Though things needn’t always be like that –
That’s what we have elections ...
Wrote Yet Another This Afternoon
"Maddening The People"
There’s something the people who rule Victoria
Really need to learn:
That the way to remain in power is not to
Madden the people at every turn
Madden them with twenty-two taxes
And a whopping great new one too
And sooner than stomach such outrageous demands
They’ll politically extinguish you
Every day brings the election closer
While your refusal to remove your threat
Maddens them more and more
And produces a certain effect:
A determination that at the ballot box
They’ll try their luck elsewhere
Madden then for too much longer
And Brumby and Madden beware!
For Independents, Greens, Democrats
And even Family First
Can be elected to do the things you do
Maybe better – and never wo...
gaic tax
i agree with byron that madden should be sacked he has a very domineering outlook on raising taxes for the brumby government but is there to serve the people which isnot what is happen...
Development Tax
The Developoment tax is very bad. It shouldn't happen to people. anyone who sells their land is then taxed about the same amount as they have recieved for the land. We are very much appos...
Wyndham council and GAIC
It is quite possible that the GAIC was conceived by the CEO and council of WYNDHAM as they attempt to steal our money to pay for community infrastructure which traditionally has been the responsibility of all Victorian taxpayers,but now seems that landowners are paying twice.
by GOOGLING up BERNIE CRONIN and reading some background data, one can see that the GAIC might well have been that councils initiative
GEORGE
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Tell Me When To Stop...
"The New Naboths"
You want to pack another million into Melbourne
Why, oh why, oh why?
Why deliberately, calculatingly try to destroy
People's priceless quality of life?
Don’t think we don’t know the reason –
It’s because you’re helplessly in thrall
To your law-unto-themselves developer mates
Who make money out of urban sprawl
Not th...
New draft legislation
What a sellout!
This amended legislation has absolutely no intention of releasing landowners from the the obligation of paying the GAIC. If I subdivide my 100 HA into 5 Ha lots as I had always intended,the Gaic applicable will be $475,000.00 per lot.
Who will be stupid enough to pay the value of the Gaic and then a reasonable return of $250,000.00 to me making it a total of $725,000.00/lot from which I still need to expend for services and roads to each lot.
This Brumby / Madden mob is out to destroy/steal our laboured for entitlements.
A pox on you and your cronies.
Jackson...
L T Land DEVELOPMENTS INC
HEY
What an idea, FRANK and TREVOR, a development co-op will turn the tables on the current developers,pay the GAIC without penalty and produce larger blocks for a reduced price to the first home buyers.
Everybody needs to think on this and show their support.
Jackson...
No Hardship provisions for landowners.
They are allowing purchasers who buy in full knowldge of the tax the right to Hardship relieif if there is a problem.
The landowner, who has had this notice registered on their title declaring that the property comes with a tax liability, has no right to Hardship provisions.
How rediculous can you get.
Not that their should be a Hardship Committee as the tax should be triggered at the point of development as it is everywhere else.
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Development Tax
This tax is just a way for the Government and local councils to rip off the hard working land owners. This tax should only be paid at such time when the land is going to be sub-divided and the money should go towards roads and infrastructure for that particular area. This should also not have to apply for land purchased prior to the acceptance date. The government is just trying to grab as much tax from other sources as they can and as usual the people of the western suburbs are the ones to pay for it. Perhaps being a safe Labour area doesn't pa...
GAIC Passion
At a recent Anti Gaic meeting I observed a great deal of hostility and passion against this legislation, such that I would not be surprised if this criminal like GAIC provokes ordinary
effected Australians to act likewise.
Ada...
"Contract Labor"
Perhaps those safe seats will soon be extracted
Never to be returned
To the hands of the Victorian Labor Party
That has its bridges burned
They seem to have forgotten
Democracy’s golden rule:
We hired them to serve our interests
And we can fire ’em ...
GAIC
i would like to object to the Gaic tax as totally unfair and it is an infringement on the rights of hard workin victorians by a money grabbing governmen...
Is Don is No Good
Don Nardella is the most frustrating person I've met. He is crowing the labour govts new draft as a govt listening to the people and he's actually taking the credit for it! Where is a candidate to stand against this moron..WE ARE NO LONGER A SAFE LABOR SEAT! The labor pains are at their peak and its time to give birth to a new govt rep that will represent the people in Spring ST. Don had the audacity to tell me that developers will want to buy ALL the land in the western UGB. where are they? Isnt this proof that labour is only looking after the developers. They dont care about the family orientated battlers who've worked hard. Come out to my place Don and the rest of you laborites, come out and pick up rocks, spray weed, put up with dry grass and hot,dusty winds. do that for a week then tell me to my face I've had a windfall..I've been doing this for 22 years! What have you done?
You are ruining a beautiful country that many (including yourself Donatello) chose to live here. You are turning us into a communist state run by a dictator. To those people that think this draft is our solution, look closer, the govt is not telling you the whole truth and this is a govt that cant be believed.
And yes, sadly Don does think we are stupid..but hang on we keep voting the idiot in so who is the mor...
GAIC & Council rates
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"Labor Pains"
Labor pains are growing worse
And harder to endure
They madden with relentless frequency –
It’ll be a while before they’re cured
Twelve-and-a-half months, to be exact
Is how long it will take
Before the people are delivered from their torment
And resume ownership of their state
And then, when democracy’s been reborn
From the hilltops they will shout
The news to gladden five million hearts:
WE GOT THE BASTARDS ...
how dare they
why does the government keep hurting the ordinary person. wish there was an election now and then they would really know that the people of victoria don't want this craic. to everyone that voted for the labor govt. thanks heaps...not...
Shameful relentless land taxing
The GAIC & exponentially increased land taxes, that even apply to low income self-funded retiree landlords, are an outrageous & shameful attack on people who have worked & saved all there lives, believing in good faith that they could enjoy the benefits of paying off there land, without the government thieving the most of the fruit.
As this Government reneged on their promise to save Old Growth Forest, and are taxing my Mum out of existence, then even as a left leaning voter, I hate th...
"Labor's Love's Lost"
The Revolution of 1999
Has well and truly failed
The deliverers have turned into the same people
Before whom Victorians once quailed
Not so very long ago
Our gratitude knew no bounds
They’d released us from years of tyranny
But then they released the hounds!
The north-south pipeline, the GAIC –
A tax to madden beyond belief
The threat’s hanging over ten thousand heads
An unending source of grief
They’re banking on one thing:
That property owners everywhere else
Will say: “It’s nothing to do with me
These people can look after themselves”
But such blunderers simply cannot see
One of legalised extortion’s effects:
The fact that anyone with half a brain
Will understand they might be next
Not to mention the precedent set:
That with the stroke of a pen
They can introduce any old tax they like
Above the law – that’s them!
“Fear and love cannot coexist”
Was one of Machiavelli’s maxims
And what other emotion than boundless fear
Could be aroused by such exactions?
What person affected by what they’ve done
Will trust or vote for them ever again?
Or forgive them for what they’ve put them through:
An unforgivable Labor p...
Hate ALP Hate Brumby Hate GAIC
In a bygone era,this Government having invoked the hatred of its people would have suffered at their revolutionary hands. Beheading was the fashion or at the very least tarred and feathered.
Contemplate the passion and contempt you have invited by attempting to steal the dreams of a lifetimes work and yet expect not to be bought to account.
Perhaps in the full expectation of losing the next election, this rejected GAIC might be able to be used as the face saver for the demise of your Government.The tragedy for the Victorian people is that so much of their hard earned has been SQUANDERED by a seriously uneducated rabble of a Government who have lost or perhaps never ever had a notion of the value of money and who sit there in their offices
contemplating their luxury lifestyle in retirement.The contempt felt is palpable.
JOSEPH...
Awaiting an honest response.....
This tax arises when land is subdivided and aims to capture some of the windfall the landowner gets from re-zoning. Don't see a problem with it, and have yet to find a posting in this forum that addresses this issue honestly. Whingeing about 'hard working families' etc. is meaningless- could you people focus on facts. REZONED and SUBDIVIDED is when the tax applies. Address that if you c...
..and another thing.
And...to David.
No-one is forcing you to sell your property as subdivided. If you've put that much money into your hobby farm (and that was your choice), sell it as such and pay no GAIC.
Subdividing + Selling is not meant to compensate you for the improvements you chose to make to your farm for your own farming use.
Guys, I suspect you have some valid criticisms of this tax eg. should it be paid by landowner, or developer?, but honestly, most of these rants don't do anything to explain your side logically. As a taxpayer who doesn't own a tract of land for rezoning, I'm happy for windfall rezoning profits to be taxed very heavily, and so are most people. Better still, stop the relentless population growth so the whole argument goes away. How would you feel about that? No rezoning for residential and no GAIC, but of course, no huge profits on sale of land eith...
Read the legislation
Pete, you have hit on the main problem with the GAIC. If a person sells their property as a hobby farm, as you suggest, the GAIC will still apply to the sale. This is why we are arguing against the proposal - the GAIC should only be payable when land is actually developed. Rezoning and subdivision are two completely different things. Most of the land rezoned in the new UGB will not be subdivided or developed for at at least 10 years and up to 20 years or mo...
U No Nothin
Get your facts straight before you criticise our fight. Do you think we would be wasting our time fighting this if we didnt think it was completely unfair??? We would prefer to be enjoying our lives and families than fighting this crap the Government has thrown at u...
Pete
Pete,
MYER called you a No Nuthin.
How right that was. My guess is that you're still wet behind the ears and haven't even taken the time to learn all of the facts in this fight judging by the comments you have made.
My recommendation to you is to get off your backside and work (and save)for about 30-40 years and tell us then how it feels if someone tries to take all of what could be your lifesavings from you.
Before you make another comment go away and study the situation in depth.
joe...
And another thing Pete
The Urban Development Institute of Australia (Victoria), the Property Council of Australia, The Law Institute of Victoria, The Victorian Farmers Federation, Whittlesea, Hume, Casey, Cardinia, Mitchell & Melton Councils, the Housing Institute of Australia and the Australian Property Institute all have serious concerns about the GAIC legislatio...
"Some Property Owners Are Less Equal Than Others"
All Victorian property owners are equal
But some are less equal than others
This in egalitarian Australia?
At the very thought, one shudders
If their state government decides that urban sprawl
Is headed in their direction
They can decide to hit them with a brand-new tax
Designed to bring despair and dejection
For it doesn’t ask a percentage
Of the increased sale price they’ll supposedly enjoy
It demands a lump-sum fee per hectare
And it’s the buyer that it annoys
So what are buyers going to do?
Subtract it from the price
Of what these properties once were worth
Lowering their value in a trice
Is that really such a windfall?
What if the tax is higher than the gain?
The government will have taken a chunk of their assets
And flushed it down the drain
A lovely way of rewarding the folk
Who’ve kept them in power for ten years!
Why don’t they just go into their bank accounts
And steal part of the fruits of their sweat and tears?
And why should only some citizens be hit –
Targeted, while the rest are ignored?
You’d think all property owners would pay the same taxes
You’d think they’d all be equal before the ...
And another thing Pete
Thanks Jeanette for your two postings.
I thought the tax only applied when the property was sold and rezoned. So if a property was sold as a hobby farm and NOT subdivided are you saying GAIC is still payable? I can see your point on not wanting the tax to be payable until development occurs, as that's the closest point to where the increased value is realised.
To MYER and Joe M - guys look at your postings. Emotional, fact-free, attack-the-man whingeing. I doubt you'll see it, but you're not doing your cause much go...
GAIC applies to hobby farms
Pete - the posting under latest news titled "Urban Growth Zone and your property" explains the rezoning issue. Under the current proposal to charge the GAIC on the first sale of property after it is included in the UGB, even if a farm or hobby farm is sold and the new owners intend to keep farming it (ie. it is not sold for development) the GAIC will apply. The tax liability can be deferred but this will incur penalty interest rates. Because so much land is being brought into the UGB a lot of it won't be developed for decades. No-one wanting a farm or hobby farm will be prepared to take on a GAIC liability (unless they can purchase at market value LESS the GAIC), so current landowners will be forced to either sell at a reduced price OR wait until their property comes under a PSP and can be developed. The only fair solution is to remove this sale trigger point and only charge the GAIC when land is actually develop...
und another thing
Pete, I was just wondering, seeing as though Jeanette has fully informed you unemotionally of our plight, and you seem to have finally got the message,if you'd like to come to the rally. Hope to see you there!!...
GAIC hobby farms
Thanks Jeanette - that explains things clearly. I'm guessing you cannot opt your property out of the UGB (?). If you can, then the system seems fair (except for the question of when it's paid). If you can't - well I'm with you - it sounds ridiculous. You are right about the redevelopment - the idea of all that land being redeveloped immediately is just absurd.
Charging the GAIC at development time does seem to be the most sensible thing to do - I guess state public servants want their hands on the cash now. Don't get me started on this bree...
No "Get out of jail free" card
Hi Pete,
No, there is no way of opting out of the UGB. I know of many landowners who have asked to be taken out, but they haven't even had a response from the Minister and they're still in! No warning - no choice ...
Will never agree GAIC is acceptable
I don’t blame Pete for originally assuming the GAIC only applied to subdivided properties, not hobby farms – what reasonable person would assume otherwise? The extent of this government’s moral and intellectual bankruptcy and unfitness to govern is hard to fully grasp, until they conclusively ram it down our throats.
But I’ll never budge from believing the GAIC is unacceptable in any form, except being paid by the developer. Why? Firstly, it’s set at a fixed rate per hectare, instead of a percentage of the windfall the government believes people will receive. A real Land Windfall Tax would subtract the price the owner paid from the price they sold the property for, then tax the seller a percentage of their windfall. E.g. if someone buys a property for $400,000 and sells it for $700,000, they will have made a windfall of $300,000. The government might then reasonably propose taxing them 5% or so of that $300,000 – though again, it should apply to everyone in the whole state. Are properties in the UGB really the only ones this government thinks are going to rise in value?
Take, for instance, the house Miegunyah in Toorak, which sold a few days ago for approx. $20 million. The owner bought it in 1991 for $2 million, and has therefore made a windfall of $18 million. Should that person pay no Land Windfall Tax, while people in the UGB have up to $95,000 per hectare deducted from the value of their properties? As has been pointed out, they might not even want to be in the UGB.
Lastly, the GAIC is supposedly to pay for infrastructure – though as the article “Parliament move to block urban expansion" (The Age, Thursday 12/11) mentioned, up to 50% may go on admin costs. But people already pay for infrastructure out of their regular taxes. Why should some people pay twice, just because they live in an area their government wants to develop?
Not only that, the govt has a surplus of $1 billion (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/boom-tax-hikes-give-1b-bonus/story-e6frf7jo-1225785538596). The GAIC is supposed to raise $2 billion. Why don’t they just use that $1 billion to cover half of it, then raise the other half by reigning in their squandering for a couple of years? They could easily do that - if they wanted ...
No the govt wouldnt possibly do that!
The tax liability to be placed on my property is $2.2mil. Can anyone tell me who would happily pay this then give me a decent price for my land on top of that? It's sheer discrimination to charge a fee in one area when other ares (ie Toorak, Torquay,etc) are hit with nothing. The existing infrastructure cannot cope with our existing population and why oh why we do need more people Ministers? We have no water, all good farming land is being raped by houses,there are too many cars on the road adding to congestion, yet we continue with the urban bulge. We have politicians coming out criticising Labor's quest to have larger populations, the likes of Carr and Thompson who have done their homework and have listened to the people and experts yet Dudd Rudd and his cohorts want to go down in a blaze of glory opening the flood gates to immigration when we REALLY should be looking after our own. How about giving back to the people instead of continually taking away from the minority of people who have actually worked hard to get what they have instead of bludging off the government.
Pete, I'll have a banner for you to hold at Tuesdays rally!!
Great job TAXED O...
Couldn't agree more
No, I don’t suppose they would reign in their squandering. And the idea that taxation should be based solely on income – including windfalls from property sales – is too democratic for the tyrants running Victoria to be comfortable with. An undemocratic, extortionate taxation system helped provoke the French Revolution, and I won’t experience any surprise if it provokes major riots against this government.
I don’t understand why the whole of Victoria isn’t up in arms. Anyone who wants to dismiss people’s objections as unreasonable should ask themselves how they’d feel if the Brumby Government introduced a law stating that the next time they sold shares, the buyer would have to pay the govt a fixed amount per share, regardless of whether they sell them for $1 or $50. How is forcing buyers to hand over a fixed amount per hectare – which they will deduct from the price they’re willing to pay – different from devaluing people’s other investments? Can anyone answer that?
There’s another reason why the GAIC affects everyone: if it passes, how will anyone feel safe buying property on the outskirts of Melbourne again, knowing that if the govt declares their property in the UGB, it will be devalued by $95,000 per hectare? I know Justin Madden was recently quoted in The Age as saying that the UGB will not be moved in his lifetime, but those sort of promises have been made before. People who live near UGBs and want to sell their properties may find that potential buyers are now wary of them.
All I can do is wish you the best in trying to persuade the Greens and Liberals to block the GAIC in the upper house if it passes. I gather from Colleen Hartland’s page on The Greens website that she’s completely opposed to it, and the Opposition Planning Spokesman was also quoted as saying he had “very serious concerns” about the GAIC, so that’s looking hopeful. The Brumby Govt’s decision to re-privatise public transport demolished any last shred of respect I had for them, but finding out about the GAIC sank my opinion of them to a new low. After all they’ve done wrong, they don’t deserve to get away with th...
Food for thought ...
John’s comment that the GAIC on his property is $2.2 million got me thinking, and something occurred to me this morning. Am I being supremely cynical or only voicing what other people already suspect when I ask: is there any possibility the GAIC was invented solely as a means of forcing people in Urban Growth Boundaries into a position where they can only afford to sell their land to developers? After all, who but a developer hungry for land to turn into urban sprawl would pay that $2.2m on top of the buy price?
Perhaps money for infrastructure has nothing to do with it – after all, the govt has a $1 billion surplus that’s half of the $2 b the GAIC is supposed to raise. I know the original plan was to tax the seller, but what if Brumby & Co intended to change it to the buyer all along?
It’s a plan of evil genius:
• Declare areas with land developers want in the UGB
• Tell people that if they don’t want to be in the UGB, they can let the govt know – then ignore their letters
• Hit them with a $95,000 per hectare tax they’ll supposedly have to pay when they sell their land
• When they protest, change it to the buyer having to pay the $95,000 per hectare
• THEN when they protest that no one will pay that on top of the property, but will deduct it from the buy price, have those life-saving developers come along waiving their cheque books and saying, “We’ll give you your full asking price! We’re willing to pay the GAIC ourselves.”
As Jeanette wrote in her letter to The Age on Oct 7, “There needs to be an independent inquiry into the powers wielded by this Government. It is a law unto itself and does all it can to help big business, at the peril of anyone who gets in its way.”
In her article ‘Sprawl of the Wild’, Melissa Fyfe also wrote, “Recently The Age, with the help of city leaders and planning experts, identified enough land in Melbourne to accommodate the extra 600,000 homes that Madden insists we must make space for in the next 20 years. The land was not outside the existing growth boundary, it was inside: unused Crown land, opportunities along tram lines, tracts of inner-city land, space at Docklands, old council depots and railyards. The Government acknowledges more than half of these 600,000 homes could be built in established areas, but developers find it easier to build on greenfield sites.”
Oh they do, do they? How convenient that if the GAIC passes, the people who own those greenfield sites will only be able to afford to sell them to developers …
What do people think of this theory: that revenue is not the issue, but that the dictators in Spring Street want to dictate to people on land their developer mates want that they must sell their land to those developers and no one else, or face financial loss from a demolished sale price? It would be a pretty spectacular case of a government abusing its powers in order to manipulate its citizens into furthering the interests of big business. Should I go and found Paranoiacs Anonymous, or could there be something to ...
Food for thought
Judith, bearing in mind that many in the development and building industries don't like the GAIC either, I think your theory has some merit. The fact that the GAIC it is still charged on the first sale after inclusion in the UGB and any deferral or staged payment incurs premium interest will add significantly to holding costs and these additional costs, as well as the actual GAIC liability, will of course be factored in to the price purchasers are willing to pay. End result: landowners still pay the GA...
Continuing on that subject...
I see what you mean, but still, do you think there’s any possibility that developers who buy land in the UGB might actually be willing to pay the GAIC without deducting it from the sale price? If a seller has a choice between selling to a regular buyer who is only willing to pay the price minus the GAIC, thereby cheating them out of hundreds of thousands (or $2.2 million), or a wealthy developer who can and will pay what the property’s worth, what will happen? I think it’s not unreasonable to say the owner will have been basically told by their government, “Look, you can sell your property to a regular citizen for a massive loss, or just sell it to the developer for the full price. It’s your choice.” If that’s not legalised coercion, what is? And if developers really do prove willing to pay the GAIC without deducting it from the buy price, couldn’t a determined person try to make out a case for calling it anti-competitive behaviour: introducing a tax that gives one section of society – developers that are able and willing to pay the tax on top of the property price – an advantage over the rest of society, and allows them to gobble up as much land as they want (in areas where they happen to want to build), without real fear of competition? Because, why would people sell to the competition for a loss …
This is still just food for thought, but I can’t dismiss it as outside the capability of a government the seems to want to provide government of the developers, by the developers, for the developers. I also wonder whether any documents about the GAIC decision-making process are available under freedom of information law...
UGB land marketing co-op
There is always more than one way to skin a cat (apologies to our cat lovers )
Perhaps as a co-op we could club together and withold the sale of ugb land and sell only on our terms to developers, this would force the government to either open up more UGB land and then suffer the same co-op conditions or sit down with the co-op and thrash out a mutually acceptable arrangement as should have been done initially and avoided all this stress having been placed on the shoulders of
law abiding citizens.
If Brumby thinks latest poll shows he's a shoe in for the next election he's in LA LA Land.
Lenny...
Developers don't pay more than they have to
Land with low or long-term development potential simply is not attractive to developers unless they can purchase it cheaply. They do not pay any more for land than they have to - and rightly so. They are, after all, in business to make money. They will pay a market value with the GAIC factored in (subtracted), not market value PLUS the GA...
Wake up to Labor people !
Hunting season opens on all landowners
Look out all you Victorian landowners Madden will want your land next. He continually changes the UGB, so whats preventing him from moving the UGB to incorporate all Victoria. So look out if you live in Regional Victoria,along the coast with your sea change, in the mountains with your views, you're next! Everyone forgets there are Mc Mansions inside the UGB so maybe they'll be targetted too. Hell, let's just tax us Victorians for breathing! The UGB is a farce birthed by Labor ,it is only a line and devt will proceed without it. So stop your scare mongering Madden. Let us all get on with our lives. I hope your xmas will be shitty as mine and my familys' will be thanks to you Mr. Grin...
Democratic - Not Even Close!
The GAIC concept is flawed at every turn. The idea that properties will automatically see a huge increase in value once put in the boundary is comical. There is no evidence to support this. Let the developers pay the tax at the time of development. Mr Madden and Mr Brumby should be ashamed of such a poorly constructed approach to this tax. Democratic - not even close!
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Labor MP's attack Landowners
Labor planning Minister Justin Madden and Premier Brumby have described the farmers, hobby farmers and small landowners captured into their new "Growth Areas" as "Greedy" for not happily agreeing to hand over their life's work and savings in a new Tax they cowardly call a "Contribution"
Now that this immoral bill has finally gone before Parliament Labor MP's have attacked Landowners again, this time calling us "Spivs and Carpetbaggers". They have resorted to personal attacks on Growth area landowners, the Taxed Out organization that exposed their immoral tax and even personally attacking Michael Hocking in Parliament for representing us.
Any fair minded Victorian that has not made up their mind who to vote for at the next State Election should go to the Transcripts of the Victorian Parliament called "Hansard" and read for yourselves what Labor MPs Don Nardella and Danielle Green think of the people that voted them in. I had to look up the word "Spiv" to find out exactly what insult I was recieving.
If you own more land than a suburban "Block" then follow this link to see what your Labor MPs think of you.
http://tex.parliament.vic.gov.au/bin/texhtmlt?form=VicHansard.adv
Simply type "Spivs" in the Debate Text Box. Click on 2009 and November then hit search. It will take you to Don Nardella's spee...
Labor Minister's Rampage Speech
Thanks Michael, I went to Hansard at Victorian Pqarliament with the link address. Minister Don Nardella's Speech was unbelievable. At no point did he maintain any moral basis for this disgusting new Land Tax he just simply abused anybody and everybody that oposes the Tax.
His main problem is that the only people defending this Ugly, Unfair and Counterproductive Tax are his other Labor Ministers.
According to the Labor MP's my family are "Spivs and Carpetbaggers" because they spent the last 30 years working seven days a week to own and pay a mortage on a small rural property. My family rightly feels that they are morally entitled to whatever the "Market Value" of their property becomes. Exactly the same as If they bought a property in Brighton or Williamstown or any other subburb. Over the decades these expensive properties have appreciated far more than rural properties, its real estate fact. But those people are entitles to their "Uplift" and rural properties are not?? Immoral Bullshit!
A Greedy Broke Government struggling to pay its bills. If your Local Labor MP voted for this Tax, (And they all did!), then vote them out of powe...
Merry xmas?
Well I hope all you labor pollies have a xmas as bad as mine will be..still no decisions..still living in limbo..still a govt that doesnt care about its constituents. And Don I hope your house of cards falls down around you..you reckon you entered politics to help your community but I didnt know you had changed your address to Spring St. When did you lose touch with reality and the real people out here in the west? When are you idiots in the west going to stop voting for a govt that wont do anything for us because we are such a safe labor seat? At least if the Libs got in they'd look after us..a jewel in their crown that labor has left unpolished for years. Labor I'm not voting for you anymore..time to change camps. 2010..bring it on..the year of an election and an opportune year for every individual to speak up and be hear...
bullshit
the tax is a load of sh**. bring on the next election lets piss off the labor party...
What of our constitutional land rights?
If there was any doubt as to the direction the Labor party is taking Australia then google up "Brigalow Corporation and Fee Simple land rights"
There is a concerted drive to remove all Australian Land from private ownership with QLD already done for and NSW well on the way.
The information is rivetting.
Gord...
Madden's Madness
The suggested tax on undeveloped property, hitherto generally the bread and butter of hard working farming families, as suggested by Minister Madden is attacking the wrong people. Developers should be subjected to any tax applicable, and by the time it is spread across the resulting blocks for sale, will be relatively minimal. I'm afraid Minister Madden reached his Peter Principle at the time he quit AFL football. This tax policy is senseless in the extreme, and shows what morons are running the sta...
Taxed Out
After reading your website etc etc , I can only say..Good On You all for a great job..well done. I don't believe that this ALP Government will wake up, not that matters as we have an election this year. (thank heavens!!). It's also a worry as no matter who is in Government, the same fat cats are running the show!! They should go when the Government falls (as in the USA). Keep up the great work you are doi...
Amended GAIC
So the Brumby Government believes it has reached an acceptable compromise by reducing the inital payment from $95,000 per Hectare to $28500.00 (30%), with the balance payable progressively as land is sub divided.
This still impacts on Landowners in a serious way and should be wholly unacceptable to Taxed out members.
I hope that Taxed ouit can still resist the introduction of the GAIC and not succumb to brumbies pea in a thimble moves.
Jack Fros...
What emended GAIC?
J Frost, dont worry Taxed Out is not accepting this media hype that the GAIC has changed. Madden released a media report early on that had people celebrating until they realized it was absolutely false. Labor is good at putting a spin on words in an attempt to divert public sympathy away from govt lobbyists. Unfortunately the majority of people unaffected believe our land gets this "windfall" gain, that we are all "greedy" landowners living in "McMansions" that dont want to pay a bit of tax. The truth... My family(4 of us)live in a 14 sq house on the outskirts of Melb where no one wanted to live as it was covered in weeds,rocks, no amenities etc. I havent had developers knocking on my door promising me millions and many who live within the 2005 boundary have not been approached either. And I am one of MANY! There is more evidence to disprove the govt than support it yet they espouse the same lies.How does one get through to the general public when the govt elected by the people for the people dont listen ...and blatantly continue to show their arrogance by shamming the public consultation process?
Easy... Brumby.... you have to go...
Uplift? What uplift!
Unless you can stand at your front gate and watch houses being built down the road the uplift will remain bullshit for the next 20 or more years untill you can see house creaping up the road.
Meanwhile your property is worth $95,000 less per hectare in 2010, because that is what it says on your property title and nobody is going to pay you its true value then pay the tax on top for you. It will be taken off your property sale offer. Most of us are still chained to our properties for the next 20 or 30 years unless you walk away with a fraction of what it is worth.
This Government has to go!! Start writing to your Politicians now.
Mich...
Criticism by Harry & Janine Swieboda
Surely Harry & Janine's comments are made in ignorance.They have been able to criticise, but have not been able to suggest an alternative. There is no option but to keep up enormous pressure on both Labour and Liberal. Please note the Libs have backed Taxed Out for 15 months, but have now passed the Bill in the lower house. Who wants friends if they stab you in the back. I would rather deal with enemy I can see. I hope they change their mind.
Affected land own...
Michael Hocking's Latest Comments on Madden's Mythical UGB Uplift
Has Madden gone mad?
:shock: Did Madden & Brumby honestly think we would fall for this "value-uplift" fantasy?? And then to add insult to injury they expect us to believe that this revenue will actually be spent on local infrastructure. It will simply flow into the government's coffers to be squandered - or wasted on projects like the disastrous myki ticket syst...
DOUBLE TAXATION "LEGAL THEFT"
Quite simp...
I need a Membership Form
please can someone send me membership for to Taxed o...
re: I need a Membership Form
Where's the sense and morality?
:cry:
Why is it that the local papers do not print editorial letters that try to raise the awareness of this issue, but are happy to print those that support the GAIC, even as much as to say that this $95,000 / hectare is "paltry", suggesting that it should be even higher! Its one of the many attempts for proponents of the GAIC to discredit families who are trying to rally support against this tax. Smother our voice with plausible lies and as the old saying goes, "keep throwing enough mud at teflon, and eventually some of it will stick". This is what seems to be happening in the local media at the moment...the heartbreaking sentiment of editorial letters are with the huge problems that the Government will face, and how we should be willing to help out...
Why are the developers sniggering at the annoying demonstraters on Parliament's steps, and are "concerned" with how the GAIC will be spent, namely, if they will be left out of any decision-making process involving all that levy raised?? Think of how much they will NOT have to contribute to the Government within the UGB from their own coffers !
Why are primary residential homes, some of which have been in the family for generations, now subject to this tax? As there's only about 4000 landowners affected, I guess that this was a calculated gamble that it wouldn't be enough to turn into a rebellion, or change any party seats in the next election. Instead of slugging $95,000/hectare, why not "spread the love" to every single family home in Victoria for the next sale, and charge a similar sum??? Somehow, being "unconstitutional" and "unAustralian" would seem to be on the lips of every civil libertarian, welfare group, social worker, and probably find the Opposition in power in the next election. Somehow, its just different when its this "minority"...
Where are the guarantees on what this money will be spent? If its on infrastructure, then I've been hearing that from my local council for the past 20 years that my own road will be sealed...and that we'll soon get gas to our homes one day as well (even though pipeline runs right along the highway to the next town).
IF I'm ever fortunate to sell this place (ie I've broken even), I'll be sure to not move even remotely close to any urbanised area in Victoria!
Even the compulsory acquired affected, well, the line that "top dollar" is being paid is a joke. One person bought his small acreage for $1.5million a few months ago, which has been now acquired for $350K. I guess that the developers moved in close enough to his property to substantially raise its value. Tough luck there.
What about the poor bloke with about 500Ha in his family since about 1850? Has no kids, and was looking at a retirement home when he sold up..but at $95K a hectare..you all can work out what he needs to pay the state first (almost sounds like a bit of communism - after all, income tax, stamp duty, GST, capital gains, rates, etc didn't bleed him enough).
Now, I hear my bank will add on the cost of my allocated GAIContribution on top of my mortgage, should I ever default on my loan...considering that bankruptcy is for about 7 years (??), it might seem a more attractive option to actually make something out of my life, while I still have one. Thank God Centrelink will be there to support me! And, here I was, stupidly thinking to support myself and my family by investing in land, and without having to rely on my super...whooops, I spoke to soon...I've already lost that.
And as a last thought, is it just me, or are all landowners situated in non-swinging Labour seats? Just for a point of discussion.
Thanks for reading my post and Good luck Melbournia...
Revenue Raising a Joke
Nil humanity
Madden and Brumby are forgetting that these are 'homes' and peoples lives which are being affected by the GAIC tax and also the roads and railways which are planned to run through people's properties. These hardworking people are lucky if they get the 'tenfold' benefits mentioned but many people will not and many also don't want it. They want to continue living in the 'homes' they have made with their families and not be faced with the stress of having to pay the GAIC tax which is unfair and unjust. They also shouldn't be faced with huge rate increases as their properties are be rezoned. I say to the government leave these people alone, it is your fault that there is a huge population explosion and the people on these properties are carrying the brunt of your lack of forward plannin...
No-Win Situation
These people have worked a life-time to own this asset and be able to fund their retirement. Now they are faced with the prospect of walking away with nothing and going on the pension as a result of the GAIC. This tax is so wron...
no win
is the average working person going to win?????????????...
'Home' not a house on a paddock
I am appalled at the way people are being treated with the land tax of $95,000 and also the railroads being planned through properties. These people have created a wonderful 'home' for themselves and families. It is not just a house in a paddock that can be sold off.
Innocent people shouldn't be taking the brunt of losing their 'homes' to accommodate Victoria's population growth. People should be treated with dignity and have their requests taken into account. Where is the discussion with the land tax? Are there not alternative routes to run roads and railway lines.
Being better off ' tenfold' as said by Madden is not what all these people want.
Maybe Brumby and Madden should visualise being in this situation and be honest how they would feel.
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GAIC Levy
There is a way around this debacle and that is provided the Government underwrites the value of the land to their stated average of $356000.00 /ha
then everyone should be happy.
The government will get their GAIC & the landowners will still realise a tidy sum. Then we only have to worry about the timing of rates valuation.
So as long as the government leans on developers to pay the $356000.00 /ha
everything will be sweet...
Developers are in business to make money. They will purchase land at the lowest possible price and sell it on for the highest possible price. Let's face it if we were developers we would do the same thing. Brumby and Madden need to face reality and concede that this current proposal is unfair and unworkable and is not going to deliver them the millions of dollars in revenue they need. Who will sell? Unless you absolutely need to you will sit on yourland until this Government gets kicked to the kerb where they belong and common sense is restor...
John, it's not about the amount of money people wish to earn. Some people do NOT want to sell fullstop, or were advised a few years back their land was not in the UGB area. If this tax passes, it will open a whole new kettle of fish; other states may introduce the same and other legislations that are ludacrous such at this one could be given a chance. We can't let them do thi...
No win?
Dear Luis,
is we sit and do nothing we have a 100% chance of losing. There would be no olimpic games, no court causes, no wish to live if we could think for a moment that we are going to lose.
If we stand and fight we have some chance and some is more successful then nothing.
If we go down we go down fighting and with a sense of satisfaction that we fought for what we believed in.
We are standing up to a couple of bullies and WE WILL WIN AT THE END.
Even if we were to lose we would still win becouse these bullies will think twice before crossing any of us EVER AGAIN
CHHERS
Rose...
GAIC Tax and Land Tax.
A lot of people may have missed it but this is the second time the Brumby Government has victimized a seperate group of people with an imoral Tax.
Last year "Land Tax" was increased by 400% Yes in one hit! Retired people like my elderly parents who own a rental property that pays them a small income keeping them off the pension will soon be forced to sell it because of the land tax. Like many people in the Growth area they will end up on the pensi...
Residents protest outer-suburban ‘tax grab’
Rally support 13/07/09
On Tuesday 13th July 2009 I visited Melbourne from Geelong and came across the protest rally in Collins St. Thanks for the opportunity to yell my lungs out at Brumby et al. :0 I was very proud to be able to join the rally especially in support of the affected land owners, and also in very strong opposition to the growth areas tax.
Like many people, I heard/read about the taxes on the news and was opposed to the priciple of it, and the amount, and wondered how I could effectively protest and support those affected.
To the organisers - Keep up the lobbying. Gain further support from the wider community. Advertise rallies widely. Let all those impacted by this unfair tax know that 1000's of Australians support them.
Dealing with this issue could cause a lot of worry and stress to some people, and I hope they will look after their health with the help of family and friends and if needs be - their doctor. Don't let a mean spirited government decision affect your health too much.
p.s. If you get your hands on a louder p.a./loudspeaker that would be better.
p.p.s. try the trade union networks for spreading the message especially about rallies etc. as they have big email mailing lists.
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The depth of injustice and the passion expressed places this issue not unlike the famous Eureka Stockade where miners fought the government over the the introduction of a license to prospect for gold Tax --- The miners won-- But at considerable human cost.
As already stated the passion felt could easily ignite a physical uprising against brumby's Government and many would welcome to join in combatting this invidious legilation
HADNUFF...
Rally
Wake Up Brumby, over 800 landowners outside the Rialto and you tell the media that the majority of land in proposed UGB is owned by developers. If thats the case why not put this TAX GRAB on developers or when the lands to be developed? And why did the GAA send out over 3000 notifications to private landowners? Put the tax where your mouth is.. back on develope...
rally support
Thanks for your support at the rally Ingrid and for your call. Its good to know that our message is reaching the wider community but we still have much work to do in this ar...
Will the THEFT of our land be legalised?
:cr...
Never voted in and never will be
Taxing predomnantly labour areas of Melbourne on the one hand and stating the land is already owned by developers on the other suggests to me that Brumby nees to check himself in to rehab.
Try finding a cop, talking to a principle, getting a drink of fresh water, taking a walk down the street after dark, catching a train or selling your property.
Never voted in and never will be.
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Banner stolen
:x Some pathetic person stole our "Tell Brumby He's Dreaming" banner from beside the Hume Highway in Beveridge on Wednesday afternoon. Talk about kicking us while we're down. If anyone has any information please contact your local Taxed Out r...
tell brumby he's dreaming
mr brumby and mr madden and all the labour pollies who do not listen to the people of Victoria...don't tax the vendors, tax the developers when/if the land is ready for development. Read our bumper stickers, listen to those who rally, take note of what is in the print media and come visit our public meetings to hear how unjust this TAX is. Not in our backyard mr brumby!!!!!
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Thankyou Melton Council
Thankyou Melton Council, lets hope Casey Council follow suite as well as Cardinia Shi...
Hard working Farmers ripped off by Wealthy Develop
We all need to fight this unjust tax that the unreasonable Government is trying to put on our poor Australian land owners.
Our Farmers have worked hard in their lives to keep their farms going, and this unfair tax should ONLY be paid once any land is developed. Our Farmers dont develop the land themselves do they??? NO !!!
Let me say this....... Developers are also in the know of potential UGB areas, go in and buy the land PRIOR to the zoning actually being changed, buy the land (say 15 acres for 3 million as an example), sit on the land until zoning changes, either sell it on to another developer or they develop the land themselves, and make a hell of a lot more then 3 million from their developed 15 acres.
This tax SHOULD ONLY BE CHARGED TO THE PERSON WHO OWNES THE LAND AT THE TIME OF IT BEING DEVELOPED!!!! eg The multi million dollar developers, not the hardworking aussie farmers!!!!!
Will the Australian government wake up and smell the roses!!! Why hand out household payments of $900.00 to boost the economy only to RIP off our farmers and land owners by this rediculous GAIC Tax.
Also.....
How can the Governemnt and Tax office JUSTIFY Capital Gains Tax and now this GAIC Tax to land owners?
Why should people be penalised for owning part of our Australian Land when owners of normal residential properties are charged nothing????? Its absolutley rediculous...
Theft by legislation is still THEFT
What kind of example are we providing for our childre?...
banner returned
Our banner has been returned unharmed! And no, it wasn't John Brumby who stole it ...
GAIC
I am a non affected land owner but live very close to where it is all about to happen..I could not and still cannot comprehend the arrogance, greed and total lack of compassion and understanding of the Labour Government in bringing in this new "TAX" that is bordering on being a criminal act..To listen to the stories of people that I know that will be affected is heart breaking and brings me close to tears especially when the events of the bushfires are still a vivid memory ..Congratulations on the Melton Council on taking a stance on the issue and I am hoping that Whittlesea council may do the same but not optimistic given their history with a total disregard for the inhabitants of the north of the shire..I am hoping there is a sensible resolution to this terrible mess and will do my best to spread the word ...
GAIC and UGB
:x This government is a disgrace! If things are not hard enough day to day, they bully us into paying for their mistakes. To extend the UGB is totally wrong they have not finished developing in the one in place now. They have no heart to the beautiful country side and wildlife they will destroy and future children may never get to see. Since this has been announced there has been many sleepless nights and tension in the home, every waking moment is consumed with this stupid tax, how are you meant to function probably? Lets hope the government are sleeping at nig...
gaic
I believe in government economy and fiscal responsibility.
That I know that government don’t tax to get the money they need.
Governments will always find a need for the money they get.
I demand continuation of our traditional free enterprise system.
We hear the term USER PAYS which is fare and reasonable.
Any which way you look at this it is outright theft
You are an enemy of all the people of Australia.
Fare go mate “ fare suck of the sauce bottle “
You can do it if you work for it. Hard work pays off.
A persistent effort will see you through.
If you think this is a normal way of getting extra money you are deeply intertwined in the art of theft.
It is there for in my opinion you and this government or not fit to rule this kingdom or any other kingdom. Go back to communist china / Russia / Cuba etc where this kind of government theft is done. It is not right theft is theft. Doesn’t mater if it’s got a government stamp on it. ...
VFF slams ill-conceived growth areas tax
The Napoleon of the year 2000
It seems that Mr Madden has no common sense, no consideration or compassion for anyone. He thinks he can bully farmers because they are a minority.
We are not the ignorant peasants of the Medioeval time. We are not ignorant and we will definetely not allow him to bully us.
If he thinks he is Napoleon he needs to remember that Napoleon died alone in Corsica. And Madden will alway be an imitation, there is only one Napoleon.
CHEERS
Roset...
VFF Media Release
The VFF has made one of many submissions to the Growth Area Authority that be embarrassing for the government. How many other major industry bodies are their that think the same way. Unless we get to see what has been submitted no-one will know the truth.
Keep fighting Taxed Out.
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VFF slam GAIC
:) A big cheer for the VFF - hopefully they'll be the first of many organisations that speak out about this absurd propos...
VFF against GAIC
Wake up Brumby, now the VFF has slammed the GAIC as an unfair tax. Who are you supporting, certainly not the people of Victoria,whose pockets are you lining with the push for this tax? The VFF, landowners, REIV and Law Institute have also got reservations. Remember you werent voted in by us but you will certainly be voted OUT or TAXED O...
Thanks VFF
It is not fair to require a few Victorians to pay for the infrastructure for all Victorians. The State Government has selected one small group of people who have never had the benefits of infrastructure to be victimised for ‘New Communities”. Most people just brought into the new UGB have never enjoyed the benefits of mains water, sewerage, natural gas, public transport, broadband, drainage or freeways. Yet the State Government has seen fit to burden them with the biggest tax bill of their lives. Possibly bankrupting them, to pay for the infrastructure needs of ‘new communitie...
GAIC
The problem is that if you want to keep your developer mates happy (particularly just prior to an election) then you have to give them land. You then encourage immigration, and pay first home owners to buy the new houses. Developers happy! Unfortunately the further out you get the more infrastructure costs - and Jonny Brumby does not like spending money. Hence the bright idea to get a poor unfortunate group of landowners to pay. I note in the Strategic Assessment that it is claimed that environmental losses will be made up by landowners "gifting" land to the Crown. So may be the GAIC is just a form of socialism by stealt...
Unfair GAIC Tax
I have lived on my 10 acre property in Tarneit for over 30 years. Over this period we have never had any services except for electricity. There is currently a downpipe that has been available for us to access whenever we have been short on water. The Wyndham City Council has decided to re-locate this standpipe some 15 kilometres away over to the other side of Werribee. We as a comunity stongly beleive that this is simply a government tactic to make us uncomfortable in our homes so that when the area is rezoned we will sell up and the government can collect their GAIC tax a the earliest possible date!
We have written letters to the Premier, Water Minister, Local Council, Local Minister (Tim Pallas) and have never received a written reply on the grounds for the move of this standpipe.
People in this area are all working class. This is a safe Labour seat therefore the Labour Party will not do anything for anyone in this area. They don't have to because they know that they will simply win this seat at the next election. They treat us with absolute contempt!!! I urge people in safe Labour seats to send a strong message to the Labour party at the next election and show them that we cannot be disregarded as idiots!...
Victoria down the gurgler
In typical ALP business acumen fashion,the GAIC has been hastily stitched together and let loose on an unsuspecting and undeserving populace.
Not only is the state of Victoria periously close to becomming bankrupt but with panic stricken haste Brumby et all his cohorts want to bring forward the GAIC as a means of disguising this fact from all Victorians.
I still recall the fiasco of the ALP initiated VEDC (Vic Economic Dev Corp)
which cost this state an enormous amount of Taxpayers money, but even that in hindsight was a sunday school picnic compared with the wanton extravagance of this inept government.
Adriana ...
Taxed Out Inc. submission to the Growth Areas Authority
Submission to Growth Areas Authority
Congratulations to Michael Hocking for his constructive and detailed submission to the Growth Areas Authority.If Brumby and his cohorts cannot see the unfairness of the GAA tax on land owners and the hardship this will cause, then unbridled greed is running rampant through the halls of power.What are they thinkin...
Submission to GAA
A big thanks to Michael for writing this submission on our behalf. The GAA released a new fact sheet last week (after the public consultation period had ended) which contains information about staged payments. Basically if 20 hectares of a 100 hectare property is developed, the GAIC on the 20 hectares has to be paid upfront ($1.9 million), and the remaining 80 hectares becomes a GAIC debt of $7.6 million, which the GAA will then charge interest on. And the GAIC is also indexed annually. Nice little cash cow for th...
Taxed Out Submission
Thank you for such a clear and honest submission. Volumes have now been written on the intentionally flawed assumptions and assertions put forward by Peter Seamer of the GAA, Minister Madden and Premier Brumby in attempts to moralize or justify the scale, timing and targeted victims of the GAIC Tax.
All of the issues relating to the illusive and highly mythical "windfall' or 'uplift' in value that some property owners may recieve over time, confuses the fact that these people should never have been singled out for a special infrastructure tax in the first place.
All Victorians use Infrastructure. All Victorians should contribute equally towards that infrastructure. Many seaside properties have doubled in value 3 times in 10 years but I dont proclaim that these people therefore should give 50% of their 'windfall' in tax. All Victorians are entitled to the market value of their properties! End of story!
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Tax trapped, Star News Group, 23rd July 2009
Tax Trapped
This is an absolute disgrace.
This 73 year old farming widow will basically have her property stolen from her by our State Government If this immoral GAIC Tax becomes law.
Every Victorian should be outraged and sickened by this pathetic Proposal for a new land Tax...
Marchers pan 'tax grab', Melton Express, 21st July 2009
No democracy
Not one Labor politician thinks it's a bad thing to tax landowners into oblivion or are the repercussions if they cross the floor so great that they can't afford to have an opinion. Worse still they can't afford to represent their constituents. It's the same with gutless councils, Melton excluded.
The excuse used by soldiers committing atrocities in the in the second world war was " I was just following orders ", shame on you Nardella and your gutless mob.
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Madden gets the message on tax, Hume Weekly, 21st July 2009
Brumby Madden and Seamer. Three clowns!
There are 3 Amigos in this circus. One clown for each of the three ridiculous proposals they are presenting to Victorians.
The Clowns are John Brumby, Justin Madden and Peter Seamer.
The proposals are "Half a ring road" to dump more traffic on an incomplete existing ring road.
An Urban Growth Boundary (UGB) that's bigger than Texas and collects tax instead of limit suburban sprawl.
It’s also going to cost 40 Billion extra to build these homes out here in the countryside rather than within existing suburbia!
And a Tax (GAIC) designed to bankrupt thousands and put them on the pension. A tax that could exceed the sale price of your property. A grossly unfair tax on people 20 or 30 years before they see any "windfall" price increase!
Victorians all over have seen their properties go up in value. Some areas have doubled in value twice in 10 years but Brumby is not forcing through a law that says everyone must donate 50% of their property valve when you sell for "New Community Infrastructure".
I think these three clowns should publicly donate half of their own homes to prove how fair the GAIC is!
It’s all just a sick joke! It's against the vibe! Tell Brumby he's dreaming...
Government gone beserk
If I was to sell(if I could) my property after this madness passed into law. I would lose not only the money realized but still owe these thieves approx. $450,000. That's 2 lifetimes of savings stolen.
10Ha purchased w/- house in 2008 for
$700G. Cannot now get $700G.???????????
Pollies-nay Bushrangers or Thugs ????...
Unbeileveable
The people of
Victoria need to know what their Government is trying to do to landholders. When l tell people what they (Brumby Maddern)are trying to pass on to us landowners they laugh and say it will never happen they can't possibly charge the GAIC TAX, we live in the western world and those sort of things just don't happen! Well let me tell you if we dont stop them it will happen and we will be only the first for it to happen to so look out all you unsuspecting labour voters it could be you getting charged your life savings in the future. Then you will have to go to them under the Hardship clause whatever that means???????????..........
Hear from affected Landowners
You poor buggers
Labour all you life so you can pay for your retirement only too have it taken away from you.
I didn't relise thats what Labor mea...
Affected landowners
I don't know what you're worried about - just sit around for the next 10, 15 or 20 years until your property achieves the value uplift Madden keeps talking about. Don't have 20 years to wait? Can't afford to pay your inflated rates? Then you can go cap in hand to the Hardship Relief Board (run by the Government) and tell them about all the sacrifices you have made to pay for your property, and that now after selling and paying the GAIC tax (imposed by the Government)you have little or nothing left over after a life-time of work. Its disgraceful and immoral and the Victorian Labor Government should be asham...
Vic roads does it again their moved the goal post they have change the route of the outer metropolitan ring road so as not to effect mivac corporation with their new housing development in rockbank when the brumby government change the urban growth boundary so now hard working family's will be affected by the change of the new route of the outer ring road which will in effect more family's will lose their homes i think their is a COUPLE of very big RATS
in government like Justin madden and Tim pallas so lets all together and fight these buggers and kick them out of off...
Growth Tax Debacle
A death tax, an inheritance tax, a land tax and a superannuation tax all rolled into one.
You've targeted the elderly, young families, the sick and the dead and you do it during a global financial crisis.
You will now be remembered for more than never being elected Mr Brum...
BRUMBY'S GROWTH TAX MONSTER KEEPS ON GROWING, Taxed Out Inc. Media Release, 23rd July 2009
Imoral GIAC Land Tax
A Tax this imoral, this devistating and this repulsive to every fair minded Victorian will indeed become a Huge Monster.
At the outset the Government tried to gloss over the truth and say to Victoria "These landowners will get a huge Windfall, we are just sharing it with them!"
This is now proven to be a lie. Ask as many real estate agents and valuers as you like, you cannot magically increase the value of over 600,000 hectares of land by $95,000 per Hectare simply by drawing a Boundary on a map. If Premier Brumby can perform this miricle i would really like him to magically fix my superannuation as well because that has lost 30% as wel!!
Micha...
3000 hit out at land tax, Star News Group, 28th July 2009
3000 hit out at land tax
Slowly but surely people are waking up to how disgusting and unfair the GAIC tax is.
The GAA’s Mr. Seamer and the Planning Minister Mr. Madden are being set up by the Brumby Government as the scapegoats and fall guys for the most disgusting Tax ever conceived by a Government. A Tax introduced out of desperation because the State Government is broke and cannot wait until the land is actually developed before it collects this “Development Tax” that they cowardly call a “Contribution”.
Premier Brumby is happy to bankrupt thousands of Victorians with a tax between 20% and 120% of people’s property values if they are forced to sell for one of a thousand reasons. These property owners will be victimized by this tax 15, 25 or 35 years before the land is developed and this mysterious property value “Windfall” is received by some future owner, developer or land banker. What suddenly happened to “User pay”?
The Brumby Government tries to justify stealing people's property because “New Communities want and expect Infrastructure”. “Tell Brumby he’s dreaming!...
What public consultation??
3000 submissions about the GAIC and the Government announces 3 days after the end of the public consultation period that the legislation is drafted and ready to present to parliament. This Government is an absolute disgrace. The public consultation was merely a formality. They are not interested in the opinions of the people they are affecting. All they care about is the mighty dollar! Bring on the next election. Premier Brumby - never elected and hopefully never will b...
vic labour
It’s time the people of Victoria hold this government to task with their mismanagement of our tax dollars. They believe that regardless of how incompetent they are with their fiscal management of the state of Victoria
(nearly $5mil to an Indian company that has a fraudster as their head. The mykey disaster that has run into $billions. Giving the company that was unsuccessful in the declination plant tender $millions because they were unsuccessful. The story goes on)
Please people wake up if this tax goes ahead there will be no stopping them (the Labour government) the more money they loose the more we will have to pay them in taxes what next a $100.00 per person to get the Brumby out of the shit!.
“Hang on” didn’t we have to do that because Labour sent the state broke once before and we suffered the Kennet years.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
And this government is the evil partner in this relationship
I have no land interests I am a western suburbs tradesman and proud of it I have been a supporter of the labour movement for many years and will continue that loyalty.
But I will not vote for this government next election they are a disgrace and need to be brought to account by good men & Women
cj...
Council silent on tax, Star News Group, 28th July 2009
No opinion or no idea
If you have no opinion who do you represent. Juia Gillard's office seems to have no opinion as well. Stong held Labor seats get treated like crap when it comes to government attention be it Federal, State or Local.
Until this area becomes a marginal seat we will continue to be treated like crap. Give me an altenative - Liberal, Greens or Independant because I have had enough! ...
Councils should work for ratepayers
I do not believe introducing such an unfair tax will benefit any local Council. The GAIC legislation actually reduces Council’s ability to negotiate with Developers. I can just hear the Developers telling local Councils to go chase the State Government about any infrastructure, 'isn’t that what the GAIC is for!'
Having residents and farms trapped on their land, in many cases too old to manage their properties, due to the bankrupting effect of the GAIC cannot be good for any community and therefore any Council.
Don’t forget that Councils and State Government actually work for us, we pay their salary. Lets decide not be victims, instead lets demand our politicians and Councillors act in our best interest, not in the best interest of the rich Developers that make political donations in return for “Favours”.
Mr Brumby is acting as arrogantly as Mr Howard was before he got put out of office. Obviously, neither Labor or the Liberals can behave properly when given a clear majority, so lets ensure these parties don’t have a majority again.
Make your vote count at the next State or Council elections! “Tell Brumby he is dreaming”.
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Councils sitting on the GIAC Fence
I encourage every rate payer to call your local Council and ask them bluntly is the City oposing the introduction of the GIAC and If they cannot give you an answer demand an answer in writing.
Any State Government Proposal that threatens to bankrupt the rate payers of any local city or shire is an issue that Local Councils must make a stand on. They are our Community Representatives and we must refuse to accept them saying its nothing to do with them.
Whats bad for individual landowners is bad for the community. Whats bad for the community is bad for the City and the State. Make a stand against apathy.
Eam...
Councils benifit from re-zoning
Councils may not directly benifit from the unfair GAIC tax, however they do benifit in regards to haveing the re-zoning carried out as quickly as possible. This is why Wyndham Council have not yet sent out any rate notices (well overdue this year). They are waiting on the re-zoning so that they up the rates on the revalued properties.
Councils do not want to upset any plans the State Government have in regards to re-zoning. Brumby and his cronies treat us with contemt. The sooner they start loosing safe seats the better it will be for all concerned. This will be the only time that they will do something to fight for our votes. Give Brumby (who's in there by default) the boo...
Brumby ignorant on GAIC concerns, Taxed Out Inc. Media Release, 30th July 2009
Brumby is full of horse sh****t!
So Brumby thinks his flimsy exemptions and appaling hardship relief board have fixed all the problems with the GAIC. That would explain why there were over 500 landowners protesting in Collins St and over 3000 submissions received about the GAIC (and I'm tipping that not one of them was in favour of it). The man is either deluded or clueless...
Sold out for a pack of smokes
I have been told that if the government levied the tax like all the other states in Australia then it would increase the price of a house lot by $11.50 a week. Instead the government are hell bent on getting the money upfront and in doing so destroying people's lives.
How can you apply a tax of $95,000 per hectare without considering the value of the property?
I look forward to seeing Brumby in opposition next year.
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Brumby"s misinformation
I am mystified as to how Brumby states 2/3 of land is owned by developers in or to be included in the UGB - He needs new advisors or to get out of his office and speak to the landowners affected- it is a pity he or Madden do not attend the Taxedout meetings - then maybe he would see the truth and see how frustrated we are about the ridiculous ...
Premier Brumby hides the truth on ABC Radio
Premier Brumby, Minister Madden and the GAA can make as many claims as they like that they have 'Fixed the problems' of the GAIC Tax.
These men never admitted in the first place that this tax had the huge moral problems that it does, in its current form.
But as the Victorian public learns how this tax removes the basis of land ownership for all Victorians they will find themselves forced to "Fix" the tax completely by admitting they got it horribly wrong and proposing a fair GAIC.
These men have never allowed propper and honest consultation with the families they are stealing property from. There has been no public and transparent presentation of this government's imaginery proof that there will be an immediate rise in value of all land in this huge development area. Even if they were able to present any proof at all, Is there one Victorian that doesn't feel they are entitled to a gain in the value of their own property?
Eam...
Tax unites MPs, Star News Group, 4th August 2009
Oposition mounts against unfair GAIC Tax
GAIC TAX GREED EXPOSED
Western Metropolitan Greens MP Colleen Hartland said, “There are more questions than answers” in a recent interview regarding the GAIC Tax with Star News Group’s Kristy McDonald. (4/8/2009)
The reason this is so true is because Premier Brumby, Minister Madden and the Growth Area Authority have not even attempted to carry out meaningful and honest public consultation regarding the three life changing Proposals that were dropped on an unsuspecting public on the 17th of June 2009. They were:
· An Outer Metropolitan Ring road and E6 North /South Freeway through existing Communities.
· A huge and unexpected leap in the Urban Growth Boundary
· And this grossly unfair and devastating GAIC Tax.
A one-month deadline for all submissions, on all of the proposals was set by the government as an attempt to force through the proposals. There was no time for Councils, ratepayers, communities or landowners to be informed, have public meetings, protest, get questions answered by various departments and provide proper submissions or approach the media and politicians with their concerns.
This was all done intentionally because there was no rush required. The OMR/E6 will not be started before 2020. There is already 20 to 25 years of housing lots in the existing UGB. That brings us to the Tax? Why is this such a neck breaking rush?
If the Brumby Government has bankrupted the State of Victoria and cannot wait until the land is developed before collecting this tax, then Victoria should be told the truth about it right now.
Caden Harte of Eppin...
United front
It is good to see the Greens and DLP considering the impact of this tax on landowners. Pitty Brumby and Madden didn't consider the consequences before they introduced such an idiotic proposal.
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It is great to see that the greens have such an understanding of the problems with the limited resources that they have available. Yet Brumby, Madden, and the GAA don't get that what the are proposing is morally corrupt. The only reason I can see for this, is a Government that mismanaged a huge financial surplus left to it by Kennett, Is now Bankrupt and looking for soft targets to prop itself up...
Landowners target Madden over tax plan, ABC News, 5th August 2009
Premier Madden ducking and weaving
Planning Minister Justin Madden can clearly smell blood in the air. He should, because its his. Mr Madden is stressing that he is not to blame and will only vote for this disgusting tax with the safety of his colleagues around him.
Unfortunately for Mr Madden this GAIC Tax sets a new benchmark in State Government Greed. And thousands of people like myself that have written in protest to Premier Brunby have recieved back a letter from the Premier politely telling us that Mr Madden is to blame, go and yell at him about it. Its always comforting for a Premier to have a fall guy up his sleeve.
Watch this story closely, when Victorians in big numbers realize this GAIC Tax is a direct attack on the basis of all land ownership in Victoria, the screams will be heard all the way to Canberra.
Mich...
Minister Madden meets GAIC Protesters
Last Week the Minister for Planning Mr. Madden told the media that people in the Growth Areas were happy with the GAIC Tax and that most Property owners were Developers!!
Did the retiring age farmers, hobby farmers and small land owners waving plackards at 7.00AM in the morning, protesting at Melton look and sound like happy devellopers to you Mr. Madden? If you are going to lie to the media it will be a short political career.
Nia...
Mr Madden,
Your manipulitive and dishonest character will live on in the hearts and minds of all reasonable Victorians well after The GAIC has been laid to rest.
Ala...
GAIC
Russia's Vladimir Putin would have difficulty topping this as a piece of bullying bureaucr...
GAIC is simply Property Theft
Premier Brumby, Minister Madden and Peter Seamer (the CEO of the Growth Area Authority - GAA) are all guilty of proposing a new Tax that is, in any normal person's view, "Property Theft by Lagislation".
If these men still claim this Tax is "Fair" let them publicly proove it by paying a "Contribution" of the same percentage of their own properties, for the good of "Future Communities". After all these men own properties in suburbs that have rocketed in value over the years. That's undeniable, we have historical proof of the mean valve price rise in the suburbs. Historically prices rise much faster in the City and Suburbs than they ever have in rural areas. We think you should share your "Windfall" with the Community!!
Joss.
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Minister Madden! Zone me out!!
Planning Minister Madden I totally accept your offer to remove my property from your Proposed Growth Area. My Property address is 1015 Merriang Rd Woodstock, 3751. I never wanted to be dragged into your grand sprawling plan, so thank you for removing me from the financial brink of disaster.
By the time my property value dropped by $95,000 per hectare (which is about half) and the Council rates climb steeply it would take me about 20 to 25 years to break even with my neibour in the Green Wedge.Please send me a written notice to confirm I will be able to retire!
Cheers,
Mich...
Residents "in the dark" on land tax says MP
It's Madden thats in the dark
Madden has no idea what's going on in the real world. He thinks he can just walk in and have breakfast while steeling people's life savings, talk about delusional.
He had better get used to the dark because he will be a shadow minister for the rest of his career however short that i...
GAIC
This sort of thing smacks of dictatoroial authoritarianism worthy of of the chinese governmen...
Land tax slug anger
Taxed into poverty
Premier Brumby, Minister Madden and Mr. Peter Seamer (GAA) were obviously not taught as children that its really stupid to "Cook the Golden Goose'.
If they bankrupt all these farmers and small land owners they will end up on the pension or the dole. They can apply for new jobs along side the members of the State Labor Party next year!
Nia...
Taxed into poverty
Would Justin Madden or any other politician who sold their own private property agree to pay upto 3 or more times what their properties actually sells for now in taxes? NO Keeping in mind that they would have to buy another property to live in, and whoever bought theirs would be the only ones who benefit from future development if any! HOW RIDICULOUS! Please put yourselves in the peoples shoes who actually put you there to represent them, or better yet 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you' Simple really!
Do...
GAIC
The GAIC is unfair and unjust. The rest of Melbourne has been developed without landowners having to pay such a tax, so it is unfair to expect us to do so. What happened to user pay? We have lived here all our lives without infrastructure and are now expected to pay for it so others can reap the benefits. The tax should be paid by developers at the time of development, as is done everywhere else in Australia. Maybe we will make some money if our property is developed - just as everyone else did across Melbourne, without having to pay this tax. What's next - a tax on our shares if they do we...
The GAIC is a dud
When is the Brumby Government going to realise that the GAIC proposal is dud policy and they need to change it? It's not just landowners telling them this - The Victorian Farmers Federation, Melton City Council, Urban Development Institute of Australia (Victoria), Australian Property Institute, Property Council of Australia, Housing Institute Association and the Law Institute of Victoria have all condemned the GAIC as well. In fact I'm yet to meet anyone outside of the Labor Party who is a fan of this proposal. Madden should stop peddling his "windfall gain" propaganda and start listening to the growing tide of opposition to this flawed poli...
GAIC
Minster "Unjustice" Madden and the Brumby "Wildhorse" government want to keep affordable housing for home buyers. They want land owners to pay for the infrastructure for land yet to be developed so that the cost is as far removed from the final land owner (first home owner). If I sell my property, the asking price will have to include the $95,000 per hectare tax imposition which will inflate the price. The developer will then put on their mark-up on the total price so that the first house owner will be paying in-excess of the $95,000 per hectare tax. If this tax imposition was imposed at the final sale then there would be no “mark-up” when sold by the develop...
Madden smiles but landowners frown
Madden did smile and give us hope outside.
But I hear that inside he was defiant. The UGB will move we need the land. The GAIC will be imposed we need the money. It is time for us to defy him.
Don't sell he gets no land.
Don't sell he gets no money.
Don't sell there is no value for rate rises.
Fight any rate rise in VCAT. (500 cases a year will clog their system.
Defy us Madden we own it you need it. It will be done on our ter...
Madden smiles and turns deaf ear.
Madden smiles but landowners frown
By Cimara Pearce
11th August 2009 11:05:12 AM
Cimera Pearce reported that on the 11th of August, the Minister for Planning Mr. Madden made the following statement to the crowd of angry protesters at Melton.
“I know how hard you have worked...I can’t give you any guarantees but I will do my best to make you all happy.
“I’ll take away the points you’ve made to me today. I’ll get advice...I’m also happy to talk to you about the valuations of your land if you think you have been over valued or undervalued, whatever it is,” Mr Madden said.
“I’m happy to speak to a couple more people here today and take your issues and then relay back to you some answers.”
That is all very nice except for the fact that Mr. Madden, Premier Brumby and the CEO of the Growth Area Authority Mr. Seamer already know in great detail the reasons why the people that live in these ‘currently affected areas’ are angry beyond words and justifiably disgusted by the attitude and greed of this Labor State Government Proposal.
These men are shielding big business developers and Land Bankers from paying this tax, as they do in the other States of Australia, by claiming the original land owners, regardless of how far away their farm is from current home construction, stand to immediately receive up to a ‘10 fold increase in the value of their properties’, therefore justifying a moral basis for this tax on these people.
Volumes have already been written about the absurdity of this sweeping claim. They cover such points as:
• Varying property values west, north and east of the City.
• Varying Property values from the extreme outer edge of the UGB, some 30 years away from actual home construction, to property immediately adjacent to current construction. Please show me one developer that will pay the same price per hectare, regardless of holding period required until subdivision.
• The massive increase in size of the proposed UGB, increasing supply of land and dramatically reducing the price compared to historical sales over the ‘boom years’.
• As suburbs creep out into the rural areas the land value increases exponentially the closer current construction gets to your property. The real increases in land value take place during the last 5 years, not at the farm gate 30 years from subdivision. In that last five years it is only Big Business Developers and land Bankers that have enough money to pay the Council rates each year. These are the people that in truth, receive the “Huge Windfall” that this Government insists original farmers, hobby farmers and small property owners receive immediately the UGB is defined in law.
These are just a few of the facts that these three men choose to ignore, month after month.
However before we even point out the obvious mistakes in these sweeping claims, we really need to stop and carefully examine the rational used as the moral basis for selecting this small section of the Victorian Public to carry the burden of this excessive tax for Infrastructure we all use.
In a letter of protest to all three of these men, on the lack of any moral excuse for their current GAIC Tax proposal, I made the following points. Unfortunately none of them addressed these issues in reply.
Victorians are entitled to make a plan for their future. A plan that they can see will take them and their families into financial security and comfortable retirement without having to depend on Government support or a pension.
The personal drive for this dignified life, once we stop working, drives many people to make huge sacrifices, year after year. I am one of those people.
Many Victorians start a business from scratch, with little more than their bare hands. No Government says “wow, looks like you’ve done well over the years. We think you should give 20% or maybe 40% or maybe 60% of what its now worth in Tax”
Other Victorians take out huge loans and buy in ‘Top Suburbs’ or seaside homes. The financial risk is great, and they sacrifice all sorts of luxuries, and holidays to meet those relentless mortgage repayments.
As you well know, people all around the bay have had massive ‘Windfalls’ as you so callously put it, in the value of their properties. No Government says “wow, looks like you’ve done well over the years. We think you should give 20% or maybe 40% or maybe 60% of what its now worth in Tax”
And yet other Victorians, like myself, made a plan and went out and bought a small rural property or farm. I borrowed the same amount of money I would have needed to buy in a ‘well healed suburb’. For 30 years I have worked 6 and 7 days a week to build this home and own this property. I have taken the risks, I have made the sacrifices, I am not here because I won tattslotto. Yet, with contempt, I read that this Government says I have had a ‘windfall’. And the Ministers in your Government feel morally free to say:
“Wow, looks like you’ve done well over the years. We think you should give 20% or maybe 40% or maybe 60% of what it’s now worth in a new Tax that only one small group of Victorians will pay”.
Please do not do this to Victoria. Find a fair and equitable solution for everyone.
We want a State we can be proud of, Ministers we don’t need to fear and a Premier that cares about all of the people.
Regards
Michael Harte
The truth is that there is no moral excuse for singling out these normal working Victorian families that own these particular properties, to pay this huge tax on behalf of all Victorians.
The fact that the ‘windfall’ will only become real if you are still the landowner when development eventually occurs is in fact only a secondary consideration. This Government should never have singled out this one group of Victorians to be victimized in the first place.
The property owners in these areas are like any other Victorian property owners. They are entitles to the ‘free market value’ of their properties and deserve whatever ‘windfall’ or change in value there may be in their properties over time. Just like any other Victorian.
So Minister Madden, once again, I and thousands of other currently affected property owners plead with you to take this message to Premier Brumby.
“Please do not do this to Victoria. Find a fair and equitable solution for everyone.
We want a State we can be proud of, Ministers we don’t need to fear and a Premier that cares about all of the people”
Michael Harte
1015 Merriang Rd
Woodstock, 375...
"In Parliament last Wednesday, Mr Madden claimed that to charge the tax at a later stage would add cost to the affordability of housing."
What a furphy. As admitted by Brumby a large percentage of the land inside the UGB is already owned by the big developers. Brumby and Madden both know that developers will pass the cost of the GAIC onto the buyers of their residential blocks thus worsening anyway the affordability of housing. The GAIC in its present form when levied on the first sale of the land discriminates against individuals including mums and dads, farmers and retirees. These people will not be able to pass the cost of the GAIC on like the developers. Under punishing rate increases these people will be forced off their land and developers will be circling like a pack of laughing hyenas picking off the weakest. Madden and Brumby's approach to the GAIC is driven by their desire to look after the big developers and also to avoid looking like they are adding to the cost of housing. Its all just sp...
Call his bluff
All Madden needs do is read the submissions received by the GAA to know that some landowners have already asked to be taken out of the proposed urban growth boundary.
GET ON AND TAKE THEM OUT IF YOUR WORD IS ANY GO...
Madden insults Victorians affected by Growth Areas Tax
My family is one of the terrible families that wanted their property taken out of the UGB. In addition to being brought into the proposed UGB, our home will be demolished for the unnecessary and unjustifiable E6 Freeway/Tollway.
Brumby and Madden have ignored numerous letter and emails from my husband and I. They obviously don't want us to vote labor at the next election.
Residents of the City of Whittlesea have been treated with contempt by the Brumby Government, so make your vote count at the next election....
Suggestions of Greed
The Planning Minister Mr. Madden has now many times implied that the people in the New Growth Areas (proposed UGB) are 'Greedy' or 'Mean'.
The State Labor Government is pushing this idea because they are under attack to produce a Moral or Ethical basis to impose this enormous Tax on one particular set of Victorian Landowners. The truth is they are shielding big business developers and land bankers from paying this Tax because of Political Donations towards the Labor Party for favourable decisions.
There is no moral basis for the Tax. All Victorians are entitled to the fair market value of their properties and any 'windfall' they recieve by owning their properties over time. Why own property at all If you loose If the value goes down but the State Government takes over half its value If it goes up in value.
Lobor State Government - 'Wake up to yourself!'
Ca...
why is there not more in the media about this ?
:?: A FAIR PRICE FOR OUR LAND/ HOUSES/AND some farmers/ peoples income/ living may be we are supposed to all GO AWAY QUIETLY,, :roll: HOW MANY PEOPLE do we know whose health is effected ?. me for one have run out of sick days, at times have felt suicidal. L did write to Kevin Rudd about that plus what problems we all had , Guess what weeks later Center link rang and offered me counciling , Woopy do !!! that will fix everyones problem hopefully people will have long memories and vote with a big NOT IN THIS LIFE TIME MADDEN VOTE when the time comes!! Progress might come but pay us the correct price so we can get on with our LIVES not want to end it all...
Mitchell Shire Council votes unanimously to oppose GAIC on landowners
Well done Mitchell Shire
I congratulate the Mitchell Shire Council in showing true leadership and supporting affected landowners by publicly opposing the GAIC being levied on the landowner.
Casey and Cardinia councils need to do the sa...
Well done Mitchell Shire!
Congratulations to Mitchell Shire Councillors for taking a stand against the Victorian Government's greedy cash grab and acting to protect the rights of landowners. Come on Hume, Whittlesea, Wyndham, Werribee, Casey, Cardinia ... Melton and Mitchell have decided to act in the interests of fairness and equity and protect their ratepayers - who are you all protecting?...
Vital report not read
charter keck cramer report
:cry: it is hard to believe the lives of ordinary people are in such fools hands as the Victorian Govt. What is our State coming too. The Govt. will end up putting a tax on everything and the average person can not see this or has blinkers on!!!! Wake ...
labour majority in upper house better remember who
charter Keck Cramer report
The information in this report SHOULD be made trqnsparent and not hiden by those who have NOT EVEN BOTHERED TO READ IT.ANOTHER example of our hard earned tax dollars at work.NOT!!!...
Moreland's Urban Growth expansion fears
All of Victoria should join the GAIC feast!
So the Victorian Government plans to fund infrastructure all over Melbourne with the millions they reap from a select few Victorians. What happened to "user-pays"? Are these people for re...
Waiting game for couple
Is Madden getting the message yet??
Mr. Madden, let me spell it out for you - your Growth Areas Tax is going to affect landowners so badly that they don't want to be in the UGB if it stays as it is. They haven't been sucked in by your "10 fold increase" sales pitch. They are not just greedy. There is a problem here and we all know what you need to do to fix it ... charge the GAIC at the point of developme...
Mr Madden's spokeswoman, Sophia Dedes states "The Government has said repeatedly that if the GAIC does not go through Parliament then the UGB will not be moved."
What a joke, on one hand the government says we have to make room for an expected population of 5 million and on the other they say No GAIC no movement of the UGB.
So what are they going to do, stop people coming here. Good one Just...
Winsome Anderson
Taxed Out
I moved to Pakenham two years ago with my wife and child into the Lakeside Estate. I have to say that after watching the videos I am absolutely appalled at what the government is doing to these poor farmers. Its a gigantic shameless, unethical, immoral, dispicable money grab of the worst kind. Brumby and his mates are nothing but thugs. Well, for what little I can do I wont be voting Labor at the next election over th...
TAXED OUT!!!
I agree with Andrew, these poor people have worked hard all their life and are finally in a position to benefit from decisions they made many, many years ago. This TAX is unfair and the developers should be made to pay. I will NOT vote Labor in the next election as I have done in the last 30 YEARS!...
Housing estate pushes urban sprawl limit
UGB line means nothing - except a fat tax bill!
The government keeps telling us to sit it out until we can get a buyer (developer) to pay us enough for our land to cover the GAIC tax and still make a reasonable profit. We are about 2 kms inside the UGB and about 2.5 kms from the Wallara Waters development which is outside it. What developer is going to want to buy our land when they can go a few kms up the road and purchase and develop land with no tax liability? It's yet another example of the government "not thinking it through". This whole proposal is a farce and Ms. Dedes comments are laughabl...
Sofia Dedes said the growth areas tax ''isn't payable outside the urban growth boundary because there isn't the same infrastructure requirements''.
Its all starting to make sense now. Lets not proceed with the UGB changes and the government should let the developers build outside the UGB. Apparently you don't need roads, water, sewerage, gas, electricity, medical care or an education there. Sofia Dedes makes as much sense as Justin does....
Rip off
During my working life (nearing retirement) I have lived and worked in every state in Australia. I have NEVER before had a state government with its hand in my hip pocket as far as this Vic government. Upon my retirement I will be moving interstat...
RULES FOR SUM AND TO HELL WITH THE LITTLE MAN
Axe the TAX
why wyndham city council do not back the farmer
:( :oops: :evil: cos the rates will go sky high and it is all sbout money .. l wander who is feathering whose nest ?? cOS THEY ARE NOT LOOKING AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED THEM ...
Landowners vote to escape UGB tax snare
UGB zone exemption
It will be interesting to see what Mr Madden does with this dedicated bunch of landowners now - Won't it? I wish them well & hope for their sakes he honours his promise to exclude them from the proposed UGB- it will save them a lot of heartache & financial problems (increased rat...
No Windfall No Uplift
Unless you can stand at your front gate and watch the tradies build houses across the road, there is no windfall for your property.
If the GAIC Tax is passed most people in the Proposed Urban Growth Boundry will immediately loose 40% to 60% of the value of their properties (in Tax on a sale) and the Council Rates will start to climb. It will take 15 to 20 years for you to reach the Break even point with your niebours in the "Green Wedge" whose properties will continue to rise in value, when yours is cut in half.
For the vast majority of landowners in the Proposed UGB the smartest thing is to demand we are removed from the UGB. It won't change where you live and it won't change when your land gets developed. Maybe a fair Government will be in power the next time a GAIC is introduced into Parliament.
Mich...
^I agree totally Michael, we need to be removed totally from the U...
Exemption from the UBG
Hi All, l have received correspondence from Mr Kavanagh (Member for Western Victoria)about his question to Mr Maddern on 3/9/09 in Council. He asked Mr Maddern if he was taking the people (Landowners who attended the Melton Trotting Complex) seriously. Was the Minister serious when he made the promise that he would remove them from the UBG so they would not be affected by the GAIC. Mr Maddern's response was that Mr Kavanagh better check the exact wording of what he said on the occasion and he will find it is not the exact wording as he described it. If he looks at it very carefully,he will find he said he was willing to consider it.And when he made the offer directly he had very few people who on face value made that offer directly to him.And those people would have had to have made their submissions at the appropriate times.Then they will be considered accordingly.Mr Maddern believes that the landowners are a greedy bunch of people and want to reap the rewards without paying the GAIC TAX he also mentions that if they adjust it at any stage of the payment of a development system that nobody would want to pay the charge developers or landholders. Mr Maddern let me tell you that if l were by some miracle able to get the amount you have stated somewhere between $225,000. and $450,000. per hectare i would gladly pay the TAX but my land will not be developed for 15-20 years according to the Growth authority so i am locked into a waiting game to see if l can afford to hold onto my property with a caveat TAX bill over the property and still pay the coucil rates before l am put into a nursing home!Wake up Mr Maddern charge this TAX at the point of development and no other time. :cr...
Planning Minister Justin Madden answering questions live on-line
Stress on landowners
Mr Madden
I read the Hansard transcripts from last week's Parliament sitting in which you stated that the stress that landowners are suffering is caused by the prospect of the money they will be making and how they may spend or invest it. Have you read any of the submissions that have been sent to you. I don't know of anyone who would be stressed about this. I say to you that this stress is solely caused by the tax bill you want to impose on landowners-in my case about $1.14 million - how do you expect me to pay for this upfront prior to receiving payment for the sale of our land. By the way, we don't want to sell, but if the UGB is passed we will not have a choice as our land rates will esculate, so we will be pushed into doing so. So i say to you that this is what is stressing me out AND not the possibility of any money i might make@...
Intelligence
A person that cannot distinguish dirt from horse poo, rubs it over his face prior to commencement of a football match cannot be very intelligent!
The only beneficiaries to the windfall are you Mr Madden & your developer mates! I cannot believe one Labour MP cannot see how unjust this tax is! Honesty, transparancy in our local labour MPs is that too much to ask for? Apparently it is! BRING ON THE ELECTI...
Spin
Ever since growth areas infrastructure contribution tax reared its ugly head, there has been thousands of questions asked of Mr Madden and Peter Seamer (growth areas CEO) and so far not one truthful, factual or informative answer has come out of their mouthes.
All spin, honesty is not their policy, good deeds fade with time! Bad deeds are never forgotten or forgiven! BRING ON THE ELECTIO...
live on line
I sent in 3 questions on live on line, not one of them was answered. But only lies came out of your mouth Mr. Madden.
BRING ON THE ELECTION hopefully you'll fall off the wall just like Humpty Dump...
LIVE ON LINE
Mary l also sent in 3 questions and started typing them at 3.59pm not 1 question was answered. Somebody was screening those questions and he only answered the ones he wanted too!! Be honest Mr Maddern when you have questions sent to you answer them. :...
Urban Growth Zone declared in Ballarat: No GAIC ... YET
Ballarat - beware of the GAIC
If the government succeeds in getting this shameful tax through then the logical next step is regional centres like Ballarat and Bendigo. Remember there was no GAIC when Melbourne's Urban Growth Boundary was first established. The government and Madden will deny it of course ... but who believes it when governments say they won't bring in new taxes. Ballarat: BEWARE!! :shoc...
UGB farse
Is the UGB meant to contain development in or stop it from getting in. You know have Ballarat, Wallan, Geelong Bacchus Marsh and countless other towns sitting outside the UGB without paying a single dollar in infrastructure charges.
Why would you develop inside the boundary when you can jump on board the GAIC free development bonanza
outside it.
What a joke...
Ballarat and Bendigo - GAIC Tax
People living on or owning land on the outskirts of Ballarat, Bendigo and other regional centres would be very wise to find out all about the GAIC Tax the Brumby Government is trying to force through parliament and fight it now before it is too late.
Once it is law it can then be applied to any "growth area" in Victoria - $95,000 per hectare in tax if you sell your land. For me, it's $200,000 on just over five acres (30 per cent of my current value). My neighbour with 10 acres, his GAIC is $380,000 (almost 50 per cent of his current property value). If you had 20 acres, in my area worth about $1.2 million, the GAIC Tax is $760,000! Yep that's right, over 60 per cent of the sale value in a new land tax. You can see why folks that own 100 acres are screaming that this will bankrupt them!
But don't worry the Brumby Government says it will create a "hardship board" that you can come and beg to and maybe they will not take more in tax than the sale price of your property. If this tax is passed into law then only a fool would believe that the State Government will restrict it to Melbourne. If you feel you earned your land fight the GAIC now before it is too late and anything from 20%-80% is stole...
Big business
I'm sorry to say that big business run this Country State and federal governments do what big boys want That is why Madden is pushing for land owners to pay the gaic tax THIS state LABOUR GOVERNMENT DOES not want to deal with the issues at hand on behalf of working class people only big business that is why they are pushing hard for land owners to pay gaic tax i realy hope taxeout win this one but i wont hold my bre...
GAIC HARDSHIP CONSIDERATION
Have already tested the "hardship" scenario and I quote response from Executive Director, Planning Policy & Reform, Department of Planning & Community Development ... "I am unable to consider your letter an application to the "Hardship Relief Board" as that Board will not exist until the legislation is passed by Parliament and comes into effect, and the procedures for making an aplication are made known. Also, the Board's purpose is not to provde financial or other support, but only to waive, exempt or defer the Growth Areas Infrastructure Contribution on the occasion that it becomes payable".
So much for the disinformation published in the Information Brochures put out by the Growth Areas Authority which states ... "What about genuine cases of the GAIC causing undue hardship? Unintended personal hardship may arise in exceptional circumstancs. "Consideration has been given to providing relief in such cases"
Seems realities are of no consequence to this authority obviously blinded and deafened by their own "spin" and agenda! Bring on the electi...
Landowners continue protest against tax plan
Keep up the fight!
Well done to all Taxed Out supporters for taking a stand against this shameful tax grab with an ad in the Herald Sun. I'm guessing the cost of an advertising campaign is nothing compared to what Brumby and Madden want to take from y...
Wake Up Melbournians
Well done to the Taxed Out Group for all the hard work!
Melbournians Wake UP!! YOU will be next! If you think this only applies to land owners sitting on the city fringes - be warned - if they pass this levy you will be next - ask yourself - how would you feel paying home owner tax? For a small piece of paradise that you call your home, that you have worked hard to own and be penalised for doing so? In the end you will be expected to walk out your front door with only the clothes on your back and leave your precious piece of paradise for the government to take & they'll say YES this is MY CASTLE NOW! SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT IT NOW! and support your fellow Victorians! United we sta...
tax plan
it is important to understand that all poitical parties are elected by the people for the people. With this in mind members of parliment have a moral duty of care to one and all. Laws that are passed should not increase the hardship of even one individual or disadvantage those who have made progress legaly in their personal lives. This is more about political parties believing they have a right to act for the greater good with no regard for the damage or hardship their decisions may have on the few. This is like saying that it is okay to convict an innocent man of a crime they have not commited if our legal system works for the grater good.So i say to you if you can not find a solution that does not disadvantge even one Victorian you have not nearly looked for a solution lhard enough. I will be keeping an eye on events as I hoope every voting Victorian will. This comes from a Victorian not directly affected but deeply concern...
Herald Sun ad.
Stand up and fight Melburnians!This shameful Government wants to impose a robbers tax on ALL land and home owners under the guise of an "infrastructure contribution" by way of the GAIC.Have the guts to call it what it is Brumby and Madden - it's just another TAX to shore up your budg...
Herald Sun Taxed Out
Congratulations on the great advert in the Herald Sun, The rest of Melb should take notice, YOU could be next. Please email Brumby and Madden your opposition to this unfair tax. john.brumby@parliament.vic.gov.au
justin.madden@parliament.vic.gov.a...
economic dunces
It is my belief,that the Vic ALP having realised the extent of the states financial losses thru their incompetent investing see no alternative than to look at where they can scrounge some hefty gains to offset the shame and ridicule they so rightly deserve.
SHAME on YOU ALP robbing the people of Victoria of their endeavours and rewards achieved from great sacrifice.
YOU WILL NOT RECOVER FROM THIS ASSAULT ON THE PEOPLE OF VICTORIA.
Jack Adams
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herald sun taxed out
All Victorian should vote against Brumby govt who only know how to tax people unnecessary. Why not we ask mr. Brumby salary to be tax 50% because his salary and allowance are better off than other ordinary Australian citizen? I am sure that he will not betoo happy about it which is just like the lanowner affected by GA...
Minister refuses to release report
Minister Madden scared of his report
I think every one knows why Minister Madden refuses to release the all important report. There is not one shred of evidence in the report to justify his Imoral Tax Proposal, and he knows that.
Secondly his tactic in refusing to confirm he has actually read the report is designed to allow his an exit strategy when the report is finally tabled. Embarressing as it is, to have everyone asking him constantly "Have you read it?" He still thinks its worth having the escape route on hand when the report goes public. When all hell breaks loose he wants to be able to blame Mr Seamer at the GAA. He will claim "I trusted the GAA advice!!" Its not because I have no morals, Honestl...
2008 Charter Keck Cramer Report
Why is Mr. Madden refusing to release this report? Surely if it was an independant,factual,fair,honest assessment of the expected land values after integration into the Urban Growth Boundary then he should have nothing to hide or fear from the contents of this report.Unless of course it's because this cash strapped Government knows that this report is anything but factual,fair or honest,in fact it probably resembles a Swiss cheese - FULL OF HOLES.Brumby and his cohorts continue to ride roughshod over Victorians in a way that would make some third world dictators proud.Mr. Madden has shown nothing but contempt for the landowners who will be seriously affected by the GAIC.He has stated that he would exclude those landowners who do not wish to be part of the expanded Urban Growth Zone - he hasn't.He stands up in Parliament and states that no landowners have asked to be excluded - is he lying or just not listening? In ages past there once were Pharoahs and Emperors, serfs and slaves.Today we call it Governments and citizens, but some aspects of this juxtaposition just don't chang...
Minister refuses to release report
Surely all Victorians must be getting extremely cynical about a Governemt that continues to hide every single report that has such a bearing on their lives. The example is this GAIC report, the report into how much it costs the taxpayer to run the Formula one event every year and many many other reports. It is absolutely disgusting that we, the people, allow this to continue. We should all know where the dollars are being spent, and lost. Come on Victorians. Stand up for democracy. Write to Brumby and tell him how we feel and give him the ultimate sanction. Vote him out at the next electi...
Booming population
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/higher-fertility-and-migration-triggers-aussie-population-boom/story-e6frf7l6-1225776289940
Higher fertility and migration triggers Aussie population boom. The Herald Sun 18th Sept.Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan will today unveil a dramatically upgraded forecast of where our population is headed.
Our current head count of 21 million is expected to steeple to 35 million in 2049.
That's an increase of 65 per cent and significantly higher than the previous forecast of 28.5 million in 2047.
Madden says No GAIC, no changes to the UGB. Good luck with that Justin. I'm not sure your esteemed leader John will be happy for Victoria to remain stagnant while the rest of Australia gro...
Brumby and Madden and Labor
Lets face it, this unelected leader of the labor party continues to display the arrogance only because we the people allow him and his "yes ministers" to do so at our expense. They were incmpetant under the Cain/Kirner years and continue to this day. Consider our police are bashed because of a breadown in law and order. Children are abused and neglected because the community services workers are overworked, underpaid and yet the minister responsible is anything but. Our gaming minister allows tables to go into crown casino and states that these will not add to the gambling problem in the state so that the government can rake in the revenue at the expense of the vulnerable. This government is arrogant, incompetant and the time for them to go is NOW before we all pay a dear price. Get rid of the disgrace. Get rid of this government. Ex Labot Voter.... brumby and his co-horts do not care or give a damn about us...the people of this State of Victoria....the State of DESPA...
Maddens lack of response
I and numerous others affected by this unfair tax are appalled at the lack of response from Minister Madden to our letters & emails - I have had just one reply instigated by Premier Brumby & that was as uniformative & full of the usual +++++ and as for his statement that CGT would be reduced by the GAIC -that is not verified by the ATO - HOMEWORK NOT DONE MR MADDEN? ATO state that they can not make a ruling until they see the legislation-Plenty of questions but there have been NO ANSWERS FROM MADDEN -Time is running out for Brumby & Madden - we want answers now ple...
Brumby, Madden and the Muppet Party!
Premier Brumby and Planning Minister Madden; 'Joker and the Fool', and worthy members of their 'Muppet Party'. Is it any wonder they're introducing such a hideous new tax. Their financial mismanagement is sending Victoria into an unrecoverable dive and Victorian's are going to pay through the nose as a result. The Growth Areas Infrastructure Cash-grab is Brumby's $95,000 per hectare lottery ticket that guarantees him 1st Division with every property sale. The Victorian Labor Party, led by the 'Son of Caine' and his malevolent half-witted partner in crime; Justin 'Kick No Goals' Madden, what an absolute disgrace this pair and their contemptible collaborating cohorts are; THE SAME LABOR PARTY OF OLD!!!
Planning Minister Madden along with Peter Seamer from the Growth Areas Authority claim properties brought into the UGB will go up ten fold in value. My property has been in the UGB since 2005 and based on Council Rate Notices hasn't received any so-called 'windfall profit' gain in value. It's had the same marginal increase as any property normally does both prior to and being included in the UGB. The change hasn't made any difference and that is FACT! Now I have to pay $160,000 to this 'Stooge Head Government' if I sell because they can't balance their books, what a 'SHAM'!
Premier Brumby, build another jail and a very large one at that, because I for one will never pay your extortion demand and I doubt anyone else will either.
P.S. I would like to request a cell with an ocean view please? Cheers,...
Brumby land tax dissent
It's not the GFC you should be concerned about
Most landowners have come through the GFC in reasonable shape however no-one can survice the BLG - (Brumby Labor Government).
Taxing families, the sick, elderly and even the dead, you didn't spare anyone.
Highest land tax in the world, how do you possibly think you will ever be elect...
Land Tax Dissent
Last Friday a representative from a development company told us the value of our land if we were to sell to them at the present time. Unfortunately that value was the same amount as what is on our Rates Notice as Land value only. This coincides approximately with the amount we paid for this property about 10 years ago. OBVIOUSLY we seem to be going backwards here. We wont be able to afford this tax if it gets through. HELP!!!!!!We will then have to find another property to the value of $160K, to replace what we have got here, as that is all we will have after BRUMBY has taken his "pound of flesh" MONGRE...
The edge of destruction!
First we had the bushfires very nearly destroying our property, now we have the proposed GAIC, promising complete destruction of our property and our finances, and also the proposed E-6 freeway, which will destroy our environment and our purpose for living in this beautiful part of Victoria. How much more does this Government and the Minister for Destruction think we can take (or do they care anywa...
Tent
When you have taken your taxes, all that will be lefted, enough money for a tent, which i will be pitching on you bit of mud Ru...
Enjoy a night of Harness Racing and help raise funds for Taxed Out!
Tabcorp Fundraiser
Cmon all you silent warriors.. come out and help fight this tax by digging into your pockets and attending the fundraiser. A small group of people (ie the Taxed Out Committees) have worked tirelessly for the last 9 months whilst we've all sat back and let them do the hard work for us. How about we show our appreciation by showing our support. After all Brumby wants a lot more off us than most of us cant afford. Lets show a thank you to these people..it's the least we can ...
Dinner October 9
Hi There, you need to get publicity via the local papers for this meeting. The Leader and Express usually do community write-ups for $0, you can get listed on the Shire of Melton Website as an upcoming event FOC, the Delfin Community news update FOC, many more local news avenues for $0. Thanks, Michelle Mical...
Shire may seek land tax cut
Open your eyes Brumby
Cmon Brumby..how many more voices do you need to hear opposing this tax? How arrogant is this labor govt to continue putting peoples lives on hold by not making a fair and logical solution to the GAIC. We have been fighting this for over 10 months..have the guts to admit you were decieved by Seamer and that you are actually going to listen to the people and not to big businesses lining your pockets. Let us get on with our lives and allow us to keep working on our properties knowing that its not in vain, that we will actually have something to give our children and not hand it all over to Brumbys retirement f...
Land Tax
Congratulations to those Councils who are taking a stand against this horrendous GAIC tax. What a pity Wyndham Council and others in the Labor Party heartland still refuse to support their own ratepayers on this issue. The Mayor of Wyndham insists this is a State and not a Council issue. WHAT A COP OU...
Casey and Cardinia Councils take action on Growth Areas Tax
Councillors response appreciated
It is great to finally see our elected councillors coming in & supporting Taxedout in the South East instead of sitting on the fence - many thanks to Michael Hocking for his untiring & time involved in keeping things moving - WE WILL SUPPORT THE FIGHT AGAINST THIS RIDICULOUS TAX until the government sees reason & common sense & see the flaws on their proposal -Development will come to a standstill & they WILL NOT get the cash flow they were hoping ...
Anti-tax group ramps up land pressure
Melton MP Don Nardella said it was a "scare campaign" that would not help the group's cause. "It's absolutely inappropriate."
This statement shows how far removed the Labor Party is from the people it supposedly represents. Kennett ignored the people of Victoria because he thought he was invincible and now Brumby is doing the same thing. Country Victoria and the outer suburbs are growing tired of the arrogance of the Labor par...
Move to 'tweak' timing of land tax, but not the rate
Finally Madden admits that he got it wrong!
So Minister Madden has finally admitted that the original GAIC proposal was wrong. But are landowners not "stakeholders"? When does Mr. Madden intend to outline his new plans for the tax to us? As usual the developers know everything first and we are the last to be told anythi...
Don Nardella rethinks GAIC on landowners
Don comes to the party!
Finally some sense has prevailed, although Don has only taken 6 months or more to realize this regardless of the many meetings he's had with local landowners..why the sudden backflip? Whilst we have to applaud this addition to the growing opposition to the GAIC, we must ask ourselves why suddenly decide now? If he'd stated this 6 months ago it may have saved a lot less heartache than it has. Don does represent Spring St in Melton so this new move is only indicative of where the Brumby govt is now heading. Dons still toeing the party line but this move is just an attempt to make him look go...
What about the vote?
OK, so Don says that he now thinks that the GAIC should be paid by developers, not landowners. But when it comes to the vote in Parliament is he ONLY going to vote YES for a GAIC payable at Planning Permit stage? If he puts his hand up for anything less than this he is still supporting a GAIC on landowners. We are watching your moves very closely Mr. Nardell...
Don Nardella no longer a YES man ?
Apparently Don has finally been swayed to vote against his Governments proposed Gaic Tax after listening to his constituents difficulties and, apparently agrees that the trigger point has to be at no other point other than when the final developer incurs this GAIC directly.
The question is can we rely on his new point of view or is it just a means to
placate landowners so as to introduce it as it stands by stealth.
Ferdinand...
Is Don is not so bad !
Well done to Mr Nardella and Tammy Lobato for representing their constituents. Where is Tim Pallas, Lyn Koski, Jude Perera and George Seitz among others. If they voiced their disapproval they might retain their margins at the next election.
...
Don Nardella's change of mind on when the GAIC should be applied should be attributed to the hard work put in by the Taxed Out group.
Brumby and his party have put a lot of Victorians from the outer suburbs and country Victoria off side.
Mr Nardella should take note that he and his fellow Labor parliamentarians have more work to do before they are guaranteed of not being "jeffed" at the next state elections....
Gaic
The Australian Public generally has a perspective that Parliamentarians are very capable of lying, let us hope that
Don in his backflip to seemingly support his constituents and the local Melton Council will not double cross us
when asked to vote,
T...
Thank you Mr Nardella for asking that the GAIC be
Thank you Mr Nardella (and Ms Lobato) for asking the Planning Minister to change the GAIC to a development levy. I've just read the latest GAA fact sheet and the minister's media release and it would seem this is where the legislation is headi...
Grand plan exposed
We were all wondering why these Labor MPs suddenly came out in supposed support of us. Now we understand. Make a change that makes you all look good but actually changes nothing for landowners. Sneaky, sly tactics. And we are particularly disgusted by your decision to release the draft AFTER submissions to the parliamentary inquiry closed. Shame on y...
Thanks for Nothing Don!
Thanks for nothing Don. As usual you politicians do not listen! By levying the GAIC on the purchaser you have changed nothing! You and your Labour co-herts have played right into the hands of the developers. Let me attempt to explain to you why nothing has changed. If a person is forced to sell due to:
*ill health
*retirement
*wanting to down size due to unable to look after property because of age or illness
* Marriage breakdowns
*Financial difficulties
The land in the urban growth boundary 10-20 years from development, no purchaser will be wanting to buy property for lifestyle would want to pay the growth areas infrstructure levy tax (GAIC) on top of the sale price. With private buyers excluded from the real estate market for land in the UGB you have opened the doors for Labour Party mates "the developers" to buy large amounts of land for peanuts, knowing that people have no choice but to sell.
In the GAA consolidated and updated information sheet there is a provision for the deferred payment of the GAIC there are 2 opportunities for the GAIC payment to be made. Deferred payment or as a staggered payment. Both opportunities benefit the developer. Both opportunities are approved by the Minister for Planning Justin Madden. The Minister that wines and dines with developers! The Minister that consults with industry leaders (developers) and yet the people that he should be in consultation with, the home owners are shrugged and ignored.
The fairest way to levy the GAIC would be levied at development stage by the developer. Your delegation to Minister Madden's Office and your requests for the GAIC to be paid by the developer at development stage have fallen on deaf ears! If that was your goal ,or was the meeting with Minister Madden a claytons exerci...
Once bitten, twice shy
To Don Nardella and all those other Labor MPs who came out last week in "support" of us: there is only one thing worse than a dog that bites you and that is a dog that licks your hand wags its tail and then bites you! I hope you get sent away with your tails between your legs come the next electi...
GAIC
Jack has hit the nail on the head with his comments I could not have said it any better and Theresa is right as this so called backflip is a claytons backflip it definately changes nothing for the current land owners and this just proves to me that they are not committed to looking after the people they are supposed to represent. The Australian way is to be fair and honest and for them to try this is unaustralia...
Will not pay their tax !
Don, back flip again, we will be watching your every move. Re-election - not a hope. As one landowner mentioned at the most recent Melton meeting, ourselves and our immediate local land owners WILL NOT be paying the DEVELOPERS tax, here is another option for you, let Land Owner form a Co-operative and develop our properties as a consortium, we've the expertise, legal, civil & construction, as developers, we will gladly pay your tax as the "buddies" will be arranging, on development, progressively, upon sale of properties after development. You'll get your money, but will not dictate when it is paid. Food for thoug...
TrevorWill not pay tax
Trevor,
A great idea, if we challenge Developers we can produce larger blocks for genuine first home buyers, we can provide them at a far lower price since their would be no shareholders other than ourselves to consider, we could pay the GAIC and, we can receive the rightfull value for our land which we are entitled to.
How many others out there will support a co operative ?
Frank ...
Structure Plan trigger point won't fix GAIC problems
When will they get it right
:shock: :evil: :cry: :?: Why is the goverment so stubborn to admit it is wrong. They are giving - amending a little then not enough , Also the roads and rails will be funded, But only if that tax goes thru or they will tax someone else, Big blunder down under.. It will be funded by the people Forced to sell their land .. So don't be a pensioner, single or die, get divorced. or get Shammed into selling The big boys only care about their mates .. So who cares about our impending high rates , If that is not all do not forget the standpipe our only Water supply .. To force us out by making it hard to get to,, into a busy town centre, What a crock!! What a mess is this our Hell on earth no less, Come on the Election even if it means Voting for the green party, this is looking like a good option it seems...
Tammy Lobato calls for GAIC changes
Labor Members against the GAIC
Where is Liz Beattie?
Member for Yuroke, Liz Beattie, has been completely silent on this issue. She has not attended any public meetings to listen to the concerns of landowners about the GAIC issue. Given that some of her fellow Labor MPs have finally realised the unfairness of the GAIC where does she stand now? Will the silence and lack of support continue...
Thank you Ms Lobato for thinking about the affect
Thank you Ms Lobato for calling for the GAIC be a development le...
Harness Racing fundraiser a success
Great night at the trots
A big thank you to Nola and her team and to those donating goods and services for the silent auction.
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MPs lobby Minister for GAIC to be levied on developers
Hollow words unless backed up at voting time!
As long as Ms. Green and Mr. Hardman understand that the only way to take the GAIC burden off landowners is to move the trigger point to the granting of a planning permit for development. If they vote for anything less all these words are meaningles...
green and hardiman join Dons party!
So Ms. Green and Mr. Hardiman have joined Don Nardella and Tammy Lobato.. have I missed something or is there something happening behind the Labor scene? All of a sudden these politicians are listening to their constituents, it has only taken 6 months! So are these Laborites willing to cross the floor if Labor continues to put the GAIC on landowners? Or is this just part of Labors sneaky tactic. We certianly have interesting times ahe...
gaic
with brumby talking of an early election maybe these two are starting to think of their future might be time to start looking in the age for ajob talk is cheap time for some commitment and get this burden off the backs of the very people that put them in in the first place all madden wants to talk about is his very average football career but i notice he is being shifted to a safe seat so he dont c...
Door ajar on tax
GAIC - Melton
Tax on tax on tax is ludicrous and unfair. If you must charge a tax, charge it to those who will employ the purpose the GAIC tax was created for. Growth Areas Infrastructure Charge should be paid by developers at the time of development rather than by landowners at the point of sale...
Wyndham takes back seat over land tax
Community disconnect
Another typical Wyndham council disconnection from the community. We elect these people to represent us and our community then they refuse to support their residents and rate payers. We stood in fromt of of Mayor Burke and his Council and expressed our suicidal situation. They all smiled and told us to go and Lobby the Liberal Party. Not sure what Wydnham council is up to but they will not get votes from our communi...
wyndham and GAIC
Is it any wonder that Wyndham are not opposing the GAIC, if one googles BERNIE CRONIN and read up on his initiatives its quite possible the Gaic was conceived by that same council.
Geor...
Wyndham council
We the residents of Tarneit North Werribee have been let down by the Wyndham council While we pay our rates we are not getting the support from this council, They refuse to back us against the GAIC, They have taken our water supply away and expect us to travel 15 kms extra through heavy trafic over a dangerous rail crossing and onto a busy highway to get the water we need to survive, our protests about both these are just waved away , but there will be a backlashat the next council elections the voters of Tarneit North Werribee will remem...
GAIC draft legislation released
What the ???!!!
The first GAIC proposal made no sense and this is just as bad. The tax is still on first property transaction. Yet again they look after developers at the expense of landowners. This is a croc...
Same stupid tax ... flat earth thinking
All the government is trying to do is spin their way through this! Taxes and spin, Brumby at work, that's the only thing they seem to be good at. Worse for us they use our taxes to buy this spin, lets have some accountable government... I sent my letter to Madden saying not to include me in the ugb. I did not get a response, typical...
Ian...
Vendetta!
Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
If this legislation is passed, there will be blood in the stree...
subdivition
I bought the land with my friend as a joint owner. It is just not fair to ask two families pay GAIC if subdivid...
how stupid do they think we are
They now claim that the onus is on the purchaser and not on the original land holder. Yes,thanks Mr Madden, now the purchaser can hold the land holder to ransom for the price paid for their land. Any reasonable buyer would expect the land holder to foot some if not all of the tax cost by reducing their sale price.
As far as ability to defer payment. WHAT A JOKE!
It is clearly states that any deferred contribution becomes a charge on the land and a priority at that. Nice try Mr Madden, but who in their right mind would buy land that is morgaged to the hilt and expect to freely accept such a liability.
Understand we are not simply lines drawn on some map.Every line represents real people and families.
Bring on election day, my turn to draw the li...
Madden -Too many kicks to the head
How frustrating to be governed by politicians in bed with developers, what happened to "for the people, by the people". These are seriously egomaniac, out of touch with reality slugs as I cannot put them in a human category. How is this different from the previous proposal? This now takes all rights from Victorians wanting to buy on Melbournes fringes as only developers can afford to pay this tax. This will take away the fundamental right of land ownership from the average Australian. My children will be forced to live in squalid dog kennels whilst the real McMansions are aboded by the rich developers and politicians. Madden you are targetting the wrong people but you already know that. You are living in your HUGE McMansion high above any of us average Vic and have managed to deprive a whole future generation on owning land. Watch your back ma...
Article in Melbourne Sun Oct 17th " Madden Backfli
I read this article and noted the para which read " Under the draft legislation released yesterday the purchaser of the land can defer payment of the tax until the property is developed"
I thought great we are back to where it was before the GAIC was mooted. Then on reading the Taxed Out website this seemed to conflict. I then called and spoke to the Sun reporter Stephen McMahon to question the accuracy of his article. He maintains his article is factually correct and the purchaser can defer payment of tax but will be subject to an interest charge on the tax liability. He was unable to tell me how and at what rate that would be levied. He maintained that all we landowners will receive a windfall increase in our property value, which I challenged him on, theproblem is the Journos are taking Govt spin at face value. He then confessed that the press gallery consists of 9 journalists from all the Victorian press who face 24 Spin Doctors to get information. So this is where our hard earned taxes go to pay the salarys and perks of the team of spin doctor...
Living in shoe boxes!
Yes i totally agree. It was Madden who was apparently building an extension to his own whilst saying that people should not be living in McMansions. What a hypocrite!! He now wants to dictate to Melb society(& not the upper-class!!) what size home we should live in. What happened to choice in a so-called democratic society?? Sounding more and more like communism when our govt wants to tell us how to live and expect to dig into our pockets to share our profits - like we don't pay enough in taxes!! Bring on the electi...
Madden's sick joke. Election roll on!
Minister Madden's sick joke is going from bad to worse! No way on God's earth are these decisions independent, fair or balanced. The only thing that can root this out is a Royal Commission or an Election...
GAIC
Th GAIC is a tax and nothing but a tax. There is still no guarantee that it will be actually used in the areas it will be collected. The whole implementation of the growth boundary is also rubbish. Firstly it keeps on moving and secondly it is not stopping developmnt further out, eg Wallan. All the GAIC will do is push development further out. The GAIC is also destracting people from the other issues - such as the destruction of 40,000ha including protected woodlands and grassland. On this, I fully suppoprt Kelvin Thomson...
GAIC
Hey, all you landowners out there: Don't Steal - Brumby & Madden hate competiti...
2nd class citizens
This Government is the well practiced smoke and mirrors show. I can't believe that they would create two classes of citizens and land owners : one that has the freedom to sell to anyone at anytime as they see fit and the market allows and the second class that are now dictated to by Government,have their Titles altered and their ability to sell reduced to next to nothing. This is a fitting quote:
"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."- Frederick Dougl...
Stumbling, bumbling Brumby. The enviable 'Stooge'.
Premier Brumby and Planning Minister Madden; 'Joker and the Fool', and worthy members of their 'Muppet Party'. Is it any wonder they're introducing such a hideous new tax. Their financial mismanagement is sending Victoria into an unrecoverable dive and Victorian's are going to pay through the nose as a result. The Growth Areas Infrastructure Cash-grab is Brumby's $95,000 per hectare lottery ticket that guarantees him 1st Division with every property sale. The Victorian Labor Party, led by the 'Son of Caine' and his malevolent half-witted partner in crime; Justin 'Kick No Goals' Madden, what an absolute disgrace this pair and their contemptible collaborating cohorts are; THE SAME LABOR OF OLD!!!
Planning Minister Madden along with Peter Seamer from the Growth Areas Authority claim properties brought into the UGB will go up ten fold in value!!! My property has been in the UGB since 2005 and based on Council Rate Notices hasn't received any so-called 'windfall profit' gain in value. It's had the same marginal increase as any property normally does both prior to and being included in the UGB. The change hasn't made any difference and that is FACT! But if I decide to sell, the purchaser has to pay $160,000+ indexed, and that’s on top of the already ‘kick in the guts’ 5.5% Stamp Duty imposed, and all because this 'Stooge Head Government' can't balance the books, what a 'SHAM'!
Premier Brumby, build another jail and a large one at that, because I for one will never pay such extortion demands and much like America, not bow to ‘Terrorism’. I doubt anybody else will either.
P.S. Could I have a jail cell with mountain views so I can watch the horses frolicking, something a little more than the stumbling, bumbling Brumby we see frolicking in Spring Street every damn day of the week?
Cheers ‘Big Ears’...
Morally wrong
It is against the constitution to discriminate against people on the grounds of race,color and property. Doesnt the govt realize that this is not a joke, this is real life and people that will relook at labor at the next election. You cannot go against the constitution that is the basis of our laws and democracy. God will strike you dow...
gaic
Its quite simple to under stand gaic tax and why brumby and madden want it its simply the Labour government is Broke so who better to pay for it the developers and they will take off the $95000 per hectare from the people they buy the land from and when the libs find out just how broke Victoria is they will do the same as labour so who are we kidding land owners will pay one way or anoth...
GAIC
Brumby and Madden,I hope you two crooks can sleep at night,because that,s the only rest your conscience will ever get in this life - YOU TWO ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO HE...
gaic
This tax doesn't pass a fairness or equitable test, unless it is applied at the time of developement.
So it is all about a cash grab now to top up depleted coffers and nothing to do with infrastructure developemen...
Madden does backflip, lands on his feet and keeps taxing landowners ...
Taxed off and sold out!
If Stephen McMahon had bothered to ask landowners what they thought before he wrote this article he would have found out that the GAIC changes do nothing for landowners. The tax is still charged on the first sale after land is included in the UGB and so will be deducted from the sale price. End result: landowners still pay the GAIC. Instead of being taxed directly, we are now taxed by stealth. Of course developers who already own land in the UGB don't have to pay the GAIC until they finish developing. This is a crock. The Government and especially all those Labor MPs who pretended to support us shoul d be asham...
Get Your Facts Right Stephen
Stephen McMahon if you bothered to investigate the circumstances of the government's backflip on the GAIC you would find that the land owners in the UGB are in the same sinking boat! Nothing has changed! So much for your journalistic investigation! Who's side are you on? So much for facts! Why have you not consulted with land owners affected instead you have taken the word from the Minister of Spin, Justin Madd...
Labor tweaks its new land tax
If you cant beat them join them
If the Gaic persists, UGB Landowners ought to consider setting up a co-operative Development CO,to compete against the Corporate Developers.
ANYONE INTERESTED ?
Fra...
I think Matthew guy along with liberal party will support the new land tax as they will want to get their hands on that money when labour finely gets the boot because the liberal are no different than labor - tell you what you want to hear then do a complete back flip. So i think the libs will support this crap tax. At least taxed out had a fair dinkum go its a real shame that labor and libs are just a pack of mongrels who don't care about peoples lives and how this new tax will effect a lot of innocent peo...
Nothing has Changed!
The tax levied from the vendor to the buyer changes nothing! As usual politicians do not listen. By levying the GAIC on the purchaser Justin Madden has changed nothing. The Planning Minister has assisted the developers in purchasing land for peanuts. Let me attempt to explain to Mr Madden why nothing has changed. If a person is forced to sell due to ill health, retirement, wanting to down-size due to age, marriage breakdowns, financial difficulties the land in the UGB 10-20 years from development, no prospective buyer would want to purchase property for lifestyle would be willing to pay the growth areas infrastructure contribution levy (tax) on top of the purchase price. With private buyers excluded from the real estate market for land in the UGB. Would open the flood gates for developers to purchase large amounts of land at a discount price. In the GAA Consolidated updated Information Sheet there is a provision for a deferred payment of the GAIC tax. The two options are deferred payment of as a staged payment. Both options benefit the developer. Both options are approved by the Minister for Planning Justin Madden. At the end of the day large amounts of land will be owned by the developers with no tax payable until such land is develop...
co operative
frank i think you hit the nail on the head what a champion idea then we will not be taken for granted then if we all got together the labour goverment would shit them selfs and the developers then maybe we would get the returns that developers get if that happen you watch the developers come running with open arms to pay the rite money for the land so how do you set up a co...
New GAIC proposal: a wolf in sheep's clothing
Taxed out Land Development Inc
Has anyone considered the possibility of Taxed Out Landowners forming a Co - operative Development Co ,such that we could provide Land at a far cheaper rate to first home buyers than the large corporations and at the same time realise the return for our land which
we are rightfully entitled to .
FRANK
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No win situation
This obviously means that anyone purchasing any vacant property more than 1 acre will be hit with this tax when they submit application to Council to build a home. I am still in disbelief that anyone could consider imposing this tax on the "hard working" Australian after all we have battled to achie...
Tax backflip HA HA
Mr Madden - do you really think you can pull the wool over our eyes with this latest bit of fluff - we are intelligent people and we do our research - not like you and your advisors - Please tell them to do more research and to come up with some new ideas or better still consult with Taxedout members then you may get some proper insight in to our problems and hopefully come up with something better than this latest bit of whitew...
meeting with justin madden
well what happen at the meeting ? just the same bull shit from madden ill look into it and do nothing. Or was he saying I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR COMING FROM BUT MY HANDS ARE TIRED BECAUSE IM IN BED WITH THE DEVELOPER...
Go Frank - TO Land Development Inc
Frank, I have your back on your suggestion, please make contact as...
Meeting with the Minister
Hi Stephen,
Despite the fact that we had sent several formal requests to meet with Minister Madden we actually met with his chief of staff. Not quite sure how that happened! Anyway we made it very clear to him that we are NOT happy with the changes to the GAIC and our campaign of opposition will continue. I urge all Taxed Out members to send in their comments on the draft legislation by November 2. They have given us a whole two weeks to comment. How generou...
Meeting with the Minister
hi Jeanette
obviously madden is shit scared of taxed out that's why he cant sit down and talk he has to bring in his chief of staff to take his place because he cant look people in the e...
T O L Development Inc
Trevor,
Thanks for the support, But I would like to see how many others might also be interested before I arrange a meeting.
Keep your fingers crossed
Cheers
Frank...
Land Tax
I don't live in an area affected by this tax (though i have been looking for a property that's over an acre for ages). Now i am reconsidering it all due to this tax. I had found a couple of places within the UGB i was interested in until i read about this tax. I am honestly spewing....
Greed
Cmon guys, be honest. You're upset because the obscene windfalls you were getting courtesy of the government (ie. the public) rezoning land are about to be taxed.
You'll still make a mozze out of your sales. Why don't you publish some before/after dollar values? - real ones, not extreme ones. People will then see you do extremely well out of rezoning.
Of course, if you tire of whinging, you could just simply not sell at all. The fact is, with rezoning, your land is worth alot more and should be taxed.
As for the scare campaign: 'you could be next'....grow up. This tax does not even contemplate urban landholdings. Rezone = you instantly make a fortune = you pay alot more tax please.
By the way, I don't support the taxes 'infrastructure' argument. Governments, not developers, should pay for that. I'd rather the money went to taxing the rest of us (ie. nonlandowners) less ...and that ain't landowners in rezonable areas.
Anyway, the challenge is there: put up some 'average' figures that show what you guys make through rezoni...
Pete, if you want to see average figures have a read of our submission to the OSISDC parliamentary inquiry. They are factual sales figures, and certainly more information than the GAA has supplied as justification for charging the GAIC upfront. We are not saying that no-one will benefit from re-zoning. Landowners close to existing development will almost certainly benefit, but those with lifestyle properties or land with long-term development potential will be severely impacted by the GAIC. The new UGB will contain at least 20 years supply of land. Twenty years is a long time to wait until your property increases in value enough to support the GAIC - particularly if you are at retirement age! We are only asking for a system that is FAIR to all - a GAIC payable when land is actually developed. I'm sure that if you are a property owner or become one in the future you would like the right to sell your property when you want or need to. This right is being stripped from GAIC-affected landowne...
greed
Who's the whinger? Maybe before you start stating your facts, you should get them correct. Until then keep your thoughts to yourself. Obviously your not affected, we are, and we know the facts and figures. Not everyone's a rich farmer as you obviously are of opini...
Ten months and no GAIC guarantees
Thank you Matthew
Matthew, I want to congraulate you and the Liberal Party for expressing common sense on this crazy Brumby Tax. You support and guidance is appreciated in helping our community challenge this illusive game the Brumby party is playing with home owners. I ask that you and the Liberals go all the way and Block this legislation in it's current form. Mathew you have our Votes as a politician showing Courage and leadership, it's time for you to be Planning minister and Madden was much better as a footballer. Thank ...
Liz Beattie must be doing a wonderful job for Brumby and Madden in supporting the new Gaic tax. SHE WILL DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES to keep her seat. Just another puppet politician for labor. There must be a lot puppets in labor party. Any way she should be having a good look at what she is supporting obviously she doesn't care about people just her own self interest along with Madden & Brumby....
HAVE YOUR SAY: Growth tax still hated by landowners
Growth tax liability
I wonder how Mr Madden can sleep knowing he is causing so much grief & stress to so many innocent people - literally putting their lives on hold for 10-20 years. How would he like it to be forced to stay until the rates get to the point of being more than you earn off the land then to be told by the developer "Development is years away so for us to buy it -it will be the barest minimum price we can off...
Matthew Guy says GAIC changes are 'spin'
Don,
If there's ever been an example of a shifty, misleading and incompetent mob calling themselves politicians,you are them ...
Spin
Landowners are kidding themselves if they think now that Madden has supposedly shifted the responsibility of the GAIC to the purchaser that they will get the full uplift in value for their property. Developers will deduct the GAIC tax before they make any offer to landowners. “I won’t sell”, I hear you say. With spiraling rates you may hold out for a while but the longer you hold out the more it will cost you. Every year the GAIC will increase with indexation. In four years time the GAIC liability on your property will be over $112,000.
Developers are in the box seat. There is a lot of land about to come inside the UGB. If you wont sell, they will simply move onto the next old, sick, financially stressed, about to be divorced, relocating landowner. When they are finished with them they will come back and pick over your carcass when you are old, sick, financially stressed or about to be divorced.
This is only the beginning for this tax, eventually it may be rolled out statewide and any landowner including those that just want to put a unit where their backyard used to be may have to pay this tax in some for...
Taxed Out Inc. submission to OSISDC Parliamentary Inquiry
Gaic
I bought 30 acres of land with my friend as a joint owner 10 years ago. While we trying to save some money to build house on the land so we can subdivide, suddenly 2030 policy came in. We were stuck. Now Gaic policy come in, if we subdivide between us, we have to pay a huge sum of money, but none of us are buyers, we are both owners. Each family may have different plan. Because of the unfair Gaic, one family may decide to hold while the other want to sell. Why can't we seperate first and then follow whatever policy is going to be?
If someone bought a house in Toorak , or Hawthorn , or Brighton and made one or two million in a couple of years, Should this person pay something like Gaic? Why can't farmers have some profits...
OSISDC inquiry results
I recieved a copy of the report on the inquiry in the mail. It astounds me that the all the evidence was presented by Community groups, like taxed out, Councils, Industry bodies, Enviroment groups and countless individuals. It was all presented, recorded, bound up into a book with every relevant conversation presented verbatum and then the reccommendations and findings are at complete odds to all the material, views, opinions and evidence presented.
There was nobody that presented evidence in favour of the GAIC or UGB increase! Not one entity spoke in its favour, but the findings were exactly what the Government demanded they be.
Its a discraceful read really. It makes a joke out of the Labor Mps when you read the motions that were voted for and against.
The only part of the report that reflected the evidence recorded and presented was "the Minority report"
The Labor Chairman was the deciding vote on every motion. Minister Madden and Premier Brumby may as well have just written the findings themselves without asking the stakeholders for their input.The result of the inquiry is a sham.
I suppose this means my personal information and files will be handed over the Government Departments and private corporations to intimate and gagg me, as well!...
OSISDC Enquiry Results
I agree with comment by Michael at Woodstock (Dec 17.)
Finding 3 on page 100 of the OSISDC Report was resolved in the negative - that "The Committee notes with concern the high level of stress and uncertainty regarding the GAIC announcement". How could Don Nardella and Danielle Green think that we are not suffering from stress and uncertainty with all that has happened this year? Those MPs have attended public meetings, and met with affected residents.... This Inquiry was definitely a "whitewash" by the State Government.
And on page 70 of the same Report, Mr Nardella is quoted asking if Wyndham Council has a Hardship policy in regard to rates. Mr Nardella goes on to say "I know the Melton one because, as I said before, I actually worked to get that together....." Don seems to contradict himself - he's been reported in Melton local papers demanding an apology following accusations that he is meddling in (Melton) council affairs... In all these matters, the truth seems to be the first casualty, after all the rest of u...
Have your say: Charge relief sting
GAIC draft legislation
I would like to voice my concern over this so called back flip with the GAIC TAX. What back flip? Landholders are in a worse position than before. Now its "buyer beware" you will have to pay a 1.2 million tax bill on a 30 acre property so l'm sure purchasers are going to offer market value plus the TAX they have to pay to the vendor. NOT! Where does this government get their policies from? Certainly not educated individuals, not compassionate people, and definately not Australians. This Country has prided itself on the Great Australian Dream your Home your Castle, well no longer is that true. What this Victorian Government is trying to do to Landholders in the investigation UGB areas is a disgrace and should be thrown out of Parliament. Go back to the Developer pays for infrastructure and all these problems will go away. But thats just too easy... :cry...
NO GAIC
I wish to express my concern over the so called government backflip over the draft GAIC bill. I see no differnce in the affect of the legislation even with the new amendments.Any purchaer will have to pay a substantial tax bill within 3 months of purchase prior to transfer being registered or pay interest on top of the tax debt. On our property of 42.09 hectares the tax bill at todays rate would be 4 million dollars.If this bill is passed we will be at the mercy of the developers as the proerty will no longer attract other purchasers. Worse than this we may be forced off our farm when munipal rates rise beyond our means. We dont wish to be included in your Urban growth boundary.We have lived on this property for 27 years and have had the property altered to cater for our permanently disabled daughter and we fear being forced off our property.We see this as an opportunistic grab for cash by the governme...
Need help with your GAIC comments due November 2?
gaic-
Why can't pay GAIC at the point of development while all the troubles gone.Landowners are nice enough to agree to pay GAIC, but only it is fair to pay at the point of development. Enough is enoug...
Opinion divided on land tax backflip
What backflip?
Why does Don Nardella think the GAIC changes are a "win" for landowners? After months of listening to landowner concerns he obviously still has no understanding of the problems with this proposal. Is he that stupid, or just more interested in looking after the Labor Party than his own constituents?? Bring on the next election - Don you're O...
is Don is no good!
Don Nardella is the most frustrating person I've met. He is crowing the labour govts new draft as a govt listening to the people and he's actually taking the credit for it! Where is a candidate to stand against this moron..WE ARE NO LONGER A SAFE LABOR SEAT! The labor pains are at their peak and its time to give birth to a new govt rep that will represent the people in Spring ST. Don had the audacity to tell me that developers will want to buy ALL the land in the western UGB. where are they? Isnt this proof that labour is only looking after the developers. They dont care about the family orientated battlers who've worked hard. Come out to my place Don and the rest of you laborites, come out and pick up rocks, spray weed, put up with dry grass and hot,dusty winds. do that for a week then tell me to my face I've had a windfall..I've been doing this for 22 years! What have you done?
You are ruining a beautiful country that many (including yourself Donatello) chose to live here. You are turning us into a communist state run by a dictator. To those people that think this draft is our solution, look closer, the govt is not telling you the whole truth and this is a govt that cant be believed.
And yes Robert, sadly Don does think we are stupid..but hang on we keep voting the idiot in so who is the mor...
Latest UGB maps released
Taxed out
What is this all about?
Your website seems to have no point except that you are angry about something that you can't seem to expla...
About Taxed Out
Paul,
GAIC = Growth Areas Infrastructure Contribution
The GAIC is a tax proposed by the Victorian Government of $80,000 per hectare for land included in Melbourne's Urban Growth Boundary (UGB) in 2005, and $95,000 per hectare for land brought into the UGB this year. It is to be charged at a flat rate regardless of sale price, and is payable on the "first property transaction" and therefore upon sale, transfer or subdivision. It affects thousands of property owners on Melbourne's fringes.
You can find more information about the GAIC and Taxed Out by clicking on the "GAIC" and "About Us" tabs at the top of the page.
The problem with the tax in its present form is that it is payable on the first sale of land after it is included in the UGB, despite the fact that much of this land will not be developed for decades. Taxed Out believes that the GAIC should be charged when land is actually develop...
to Paul
Hi Paul,
It is a bit much to get your head around without spending 6 or 8 hours reading all of the details, but I will put the whole thing in a nutshell for you.
This proposed new tax is only to be paid by farmers, hobby farmers,and small landowners living in rural areas around the perimeter of the suburbs. If you own say 6 acres this new Tax will cost you on average, say 40% of the sale price of your property, talking rough numbers. If you own 20 acres, it could cost you 60%. If you own 100 acres, the tax could exceed the sale price of your property. Meaning you would pay the entire proceeds in tax and still owe them money.
Can you imagine how angry people in Kew or Preston or Richmond would be If the Government was trying to take half of the sale price of their homes? Thats why people on this site are angry.
Cheers Pa...
don't believe the govt
Paul, many people have been misdirected by the govt. I have lived and worked on my property for 23 yrs, buying in the back blocks where no one else wanted to live. Now after all that hard work, the govt decrees that I should have a tax placed on my title if I wish to sell. You really need to read more about this tax as when they come for you, then you'd be fighting too. A tax on my property that is not worth what the govt tells the public its worth. I can only sell to a developer if this comes in, but a developer will not want my land for years. So what do I do in the meantime if I had to sell? There are thousands of people who yes are angry.. angry because the govt has us in limbo unsure of our future. If you had to sell your home, would you be happy to pay more than 40% into tax. I'd think not! Read a bit more before you jud...
Labor brings on the GAIC, but it's liked by no-one, feared by everyone
Brumby (Can't afford to be complacent!) give us a
Watching the news this Saturday night 21st November 2009, I was enjoying a glass of red with dinner, and to my dismay, saw Brumby once again rear his half-pint stature on TV. His excuse this time was for the gathering of Party faithful, a gathering of his ‘True believers’. I listened to what the ‘Fuehrer’ had to say and it was, quote; “We can’t afford to be complacent”. I thought for a minute I may have had one too many reds, but no! Brumby, our half-pint, two bid dictator was talking about the lead up to the state election in 53 weeks time (27 November 2010). 'Can’t afford to be complacent'??? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Brumby & Co. are such a bunch of ignoramus’s; they must live in ivory towers. Victoria has gone downhill even faster since Brumby took over from Bracks. Victoria is ‘BROKE’, Victoria is out of ‘WATER’, Victoria is about to burn to cinders once again thanks to Brumby’s non-existent ‘FUEL REDUCTION BURNING’ policy!!! The Growth Areas Infrastructure Cash-grab, another example of such mind-set, will indeed be a contributing factor of your downfall, but it’s only one of many. If there's one thing in life that undermines a state or indeed a nation’s security, freedom, well being and progression; it’s the ‘LABOR VOTER’...
Parliament move to block urban expansion
We will remember this at the next election
Thank God for the Liberals and Greens in showing leadership on this Ludecreus GAIC Tax and blocking it. We will remember to Vote for you in the next election..
Labor party, forget your safe seat in the West, it's a thing of the past.
Da...
Support David
You are right, David. Not only should the Labor party forget its safe seat in the West, but it also should forget in the East. All my friends, relatives, and any human beings with reasonable mind will not elect Labor Party any mor...
Support David
I agree with David and Jumbo. Labor has lost my vote and I am telling all my friends and family how the Brumby Labor Government is trying to steal people's land, and put in unnecessary freeways.
If this is Labor's calibre of planning they don't deserve to be in pow...
Don's Party (a gangbang gone bad)
Don Nardella’s safe Labor Seat of Melton will be going to a new and indeed worthy individual on 27 November 2010. Don’s spirit is gone, dead, a complete washout. He is only valued by the Labor rank and file because he is a simple ‘Yes Man’, nothing else. He doesn’t have any credibility or credible ideas to offer his Party, nor our great state. As such, he WILL lose his seat next year and deservingly so. Don’s Party are merely in power out of self interest, not the people's. I hope Don realises that in years to come, people will see him walking down the street, point, stare and say; “Look, there’s Don Nardella, the man we entrusted to look out for our interests and well being, but turned his back and looked the other way when we needed him most, and all because of his Party’s self interests. A Party that deemed him expendable, and why? Because to them; Don’s no good, and not worthy of being labelled anything other than a simple ‘YES MAN’!!!...
First home buyers 'may be priced out'
Brumby is being deceitful. If to retain power you have to lie and manipulate voters to get your way when the policy you are peddling is clearly misguided then it is no wonder political life attracts such ordinary talent.
Brumby is not a politician there to serve the greater good of Victoria and to treat all Victorians fairly, Brumby is a politician who has to win the battle and who has to retain power at any cost. Brumby is no better than a real estate salesman who is only interested in his commission and not the interest of the sellers he represents or the customers he manipulates.
Only weak men sell their souls and principles in such a manne...
Brumby takes house prices higher again
By targeting the sale of family homes demand will falter as landowners either refrain from selling or transfer property to another family member in an attempt to delay the tax can be recouped in the sale price.
Equally a purchaser will not want to buy and hold land that is subject to an upfront tax or take the deferment option which is in fact not an option at all.
With sellers reluctant to sell and buyers reluctant to purchase the ensuing supply shortage will drive up prices.
Even if land is sold, holding costs will go through the roof and will ultimately pass through to the first home owner.
There is currently no supply shortage of land inside the UGB, there is however a shortage of land zoned ready for development. The responsibility of suitably zoned land lies with the Growth Areas Authority and the Planning Minister.
The lack of supply is a direct result of the GAA'S inability to rezone land ahead of demand. They are responsible for the supply shortage, they have contributed to housing affordability problems.
IF you take away the GAA and take away the planning minister, first home owners might stand a chance of buying a house. But if you add to this mix a premier hell bent on destroying demand you have MYKI, Brimbank and Beer Barns all rolled into one.
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TAXED OUT PROTEST RALLY - November 24th
Rally
Dont leave the fight to others...turn up on Tuesday be passionate let everyone hear our voice...just do it...remember we all have commitments but i challenge you to find one that will impact you more than this if you dont attend............
Power of the people
It was great to see so many people attend the GAIC protest, I hope the message finally gets through to to Premier Brumby that the GAIC tax is unfair and unsupported by anybody. Big thank you Matthew Guy Shadow Planning Minister for showing Leadership and assuring people that the greens and Libs will block this Legislation.
I want to thank the liberals for truly representing the interests of People impacted by this Home tax. Liberals you have my Vote at the next electio...
Libs
It was great to hear Matthew Guy speak but what a perfect opportunity missed by Ted Baillieu to speak to people from the outer suburbs and show us what he is made of. Ted you need to get out there and mix with the people if you are going to win the next electio...
today's rally
Congratulations on such a well organized and positive rally.... we came from the Yarra Valley as we felt we had to support to your cause. One more stroke of Madden's pen and it will be this area also, but to see you all fighting so hard, and listening to the speakers was evidence of people power at its best. We were pleased to see our Parliamentary member make an appearance as she is well aware of this GAIC and what the ramifications are.
May you all have every success with this ridiculous tax. Where can we get some bumper stickers plea...
Successful Rally
A great turnout - but a pity the TV media never gave it the coverage it deserved - Special thanks to Michael,
David, Jeanette & Nola & their committees for the work they put in to it - Also to the very articulate and well informed speakers fot their time & comments - let us hope Brumby & Madden had their ears burning...
GAIC Rally, Parliament House
I read the comments and the infomation with interest, I will declare first up I am a Liberal Candidate for the next state Election in Gembrook.
I would like to say it is great to see some positive comments on Matthew Guy, and also I know Ted Baillieu has attended some infomation sessions. The main theme for both Ted and Matthew is the Brumby Government needs to listen. A decision affecting Vitorian Homes and the families in them needs to have in depth community consultation.
I would like to thank and pass on a congradulations to Michael Hocking and his team for going in to bat, with the assistance of all in Taxed Out, for all Victorians. Keep it up and remember to fight for fairness.
Kind Regards
Brad Battin
Liberal Candidate for Gembrook
brad.battin@vic.liberal.org.au
9769 3...
What about me?
The Regional rail link is passing through my propert in Melbourne's West. I've been told that this will go ahead whether the UGB or GAIC goes through.
If the GAIC is blocked, then the UGB will be blocked as well. If that happens and the government acquires my land I will be paid absolute peanuts.
To me this is unfair so I want the GAIC/UGB to pass because the Regional Rail Link is coming whether I like it or not. However, I understand the position of other land owners too.
So my question is, what is Taxed Out and the Liberals going to do about me and large number of others that are in my position? Are we left to our o...
You just don't get it people
Regardless of your thoughts on Madden and Co. the end of the road is near. The UGB will be changed and the GAIC will be brought in regardless. The simple fact is too many people and no where to put them. Do you honestly think Matthew Guy is going to ruin his political career when house prices skyrocket due to supply and demand? I don't think so. This bill will be passed. I think some land owners really underestimate how much money thier properties will be worth. Do some homework people, oh and Mr Guy was also commenting on how all of you will be millionares soon. You can give me your land if your really like, i'd be happy to be in your shoes.
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Yes we do "get it"
Luka, I can assure that we do get it, we have done our homework and we haven't underestimated how much our properties will be worth. I suggest you go away and become a bit more informed on the issue before you start lecturing us. I guessing you would rather be given a block of land across the fence from an existing suburb than one that won't be developed for 20 years. Wouldn't we all - because the same flat rate tax applies to both! Make the GAIC fair - that's all we're asking f...
rail-link
Taxed Out group has inspired me to stand up and fight for my rights. We too will have a freeway, and railway going through our property, we also have this tax. Stand up for yourself, form your own fighting group. The part of your property that has the rail link wont be zoned into the UGB, so there will be no monetry gain on the sale to the government. ...
where's your land Luca because i know where mine is and how much it's worth, and the GAIC. I cant see one good thing about being placed into a growth area and having no chance of development for 20 years. And what about those around me with small acreage and huge tax. Who's going to buy t...
Luca open your eyes
Luca you're obviously a staunch laborite along with madden and brumby, you are not listening. If you have followed this campaign and had attended the rally you would know the uplift only comes when the land is finally to be developed. If your parents had owned land in the investigation area, had worked hard on it for years after having purchased the land when no one else wanted it, hoped it would be their super, years away from development.. then you would be fighting along side these average Vics. Dont believe the hype that we are instant millionaires.. there are some of us that will gain a windfall, we have never thought otherwise, but to those people with long term development potential the only people to afford to purchase their land are developers and no developer wants to sit on land for 10,20 years. Even developers have come out against the GAIC. So my advice to you mr. Ignorant is to read up on this issue before you make rash statements..check the Hansard transcripts, take a drive to Beveridge and try to imagine that beautiful farmland full of housing, listen to Federal Labor Mp Thomson then maybe you'll detract what you've stated, albeit with shame!
But then you are a typical Labori...
Are you serious??
Luca, i find your comments totally offensive! Our lives have been totally turned upside down. We built our dream home, raised our family here, worked very hard to clean our property, curbed our lifestyle - for what? To now be told that a road will go thru it, and that we have to pay for someone else to enjoy infrastructure that we don't even fully have. Can you even imagine what the last few months have been like for us? Would you really be that happy to be in our shoes? I wouldn't wish what we have been thru upon anyo...
My name is Luka, I live on the second floor!
When I think of Madden & Co. it is indeed that of a ‘DEAD END ROAD!!!’
I’ve done the homework and I’ve got the rate notices in front of me Luka. I was brought into the UGB in 2005 and my property has only had a marginal increase in value on every rate notice in the last 25 years up to and including the current notice which I received a month ago. I’m hanging out for the ten fold increase Madden said I will get. That’s about as likely as Madden’s IQ suddenly going up ten fold, which of course wouldn’t exceed a double digit if that ever were to happen. I guess ‘nothing exceeds like excess’, to a Labor Politician anyway. If I sell, Madden & Co. gets 5.5% Stamp Duty from the purchaser on top of the $160,000 GAIC. Luka; if there’s one thing worse than a Labor Politician; it’s a ‘Labor Voter’, remember that!!...
UGB's a tax net
Hank if you're close to existing development there'll be development pressure on your land with or without the UGB expansion. I don't think Taxed out's said that the UGB expansion should or shouldn't go ahead - they just want a fair tax if it does. Plenty of development goes on outside the UGB - what about that new estate in Wallan Waters. It will go ahead in some areas regardless - the government's just trying to put a tax net around it. It's Madden that's said the UGB won't go ahead with out the GAIC. Pure bluff and bluster. What would his developer mates think of him if he pulled the pin on the UGB expansio...
Taxed Out launches anti-GAIC TV ad campaign
Families shouldn't have to do this
The D'Aspromontes should be applauded for being prepared to go public with their plight. If the government had listened to us they wouldn't have had to. Not everyone is prepared to put themselves in the public eye like this. They deserve a pat on the back from all of ...
Vic Coalition to oppose Labor's GAIC tax
Libs to oppose
Great news for all that the Libs and Nationals are going to oppose the GAIC.
It's time Brumby showed true leadership and begin to listen to the voices of reason, bypass Madden and negotiate a better outcome for all concern...
I still can't understand why Australians vote for the labor party.
They only ever cost us money, then when we're completely broke Liberal get's voted back in to fix it. ...
Melton landowners still upset by land tax
Don Nardella
Taxed Out are not against an infrastructure tax and have always said the tax should be applied at development approval, Don Nardella knows that. The truth is Don Nardella and the Labor Party have been arrogant and have engaged in spin and dishonesty.
The Labor Party released the draft legislation on the GAIC and called for submissions and comments on it. Only four working days after submissions closed they introduced the legislation,without any changes, into parliament clearly showing their contempt for not only landholders but for all Victorians and the democratic process.
This government has become arrogant and out of touch with Victorians. It's time for them to g...
Get real Don
Don Nardella knows full well that Taxed Out’s position has not changed on the GAIC issue. We have always said (and continue to say) that the GAIC should be charged when land is actually developed. The current legislation still targets the first sale of property after its inclusion in the UGB whether it is 5, 10, 15 or 20 years away from development. The Labor Government’s sleight of hand has failed so now they accuse is of “shifting the goal posts”. Get real Don - you and your Labor party are not fooling anyone....
Don's no thrills 'Muppet Party'
‘Only Fools and Horses’ Don; only fools and Brumby! The decision has been handed down, and not surprisingly you and your comrades have all lived up to your ‘YES MAN’ reputations. You’ve lived up to Labor’s creed; ‘our interests first, everyone else’s second!!!’ Your stature Don is much like your Party’s and its ideals; SHORT. You’re using the GAIC as a ‘Sprat to catch a Mackerel’, that’s obvious. Here are some wise words of advice for you and your no-direction Labor Party; 'If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time!!!' Abe Linc...
Growth area tax plan under fire
This is "Planning"?
Peta Duke says "It would be completely irresponsible for any government to open up new land for development in a revised urban growth boundary without securing the revenue to pay for new schools, community facilities and services, public transport and health care".
It would also be irresponsible for a government to authorise the construction of new suburbs when Brumby has put his foot down over new train lines, and refuses to build them. How much will it cost people without access to decent reliable transport to run 2-3 cars? And here she is, saying that Brumby will provide "public transport" when he won't. Buses don't count. Does the government think we think they run them? They don't run any of our public transport.
As for "responsibility", what does Labor know about that? They HAVE $1 billion in surplus revenue already, and could raise the other $1b through something called "ECONOMY" (if they know what that is). But irresponsible people don't practise that.
She also has the gall to say the GAIC is the "fairest way to help pay for the infrastructure needed by families who will move to some of Melbourne's newest suburbs". That has to be one of the biggest lies ever told by a government. There is nothing fair about this ta...
Labor's GAIC and "Fair"
Judith,
never a truer word has been spoken.
There is nothing "Fair" about any of the proposals so far for the GAIC Tax.
In fact GAIC and "Fair" don't even sit comfortably on the same page, never mind the same sentence.
Every single person and entity that has commented on the GAIC Tax proposals has stated how "unfair" the tax is. The only entity swearing, against the crowd, that it is "fair" is the Labor propaganda machine.
Mr Brumby! you can tell people grass is blue till the cows come home, it won't change the facts! Your GAIC remains grossly unfair. Personally I hope you keep persisting. Not only will this lagislation be thrown out but your party with it at the next election.
Michael at Woodstoc...
Labor backbenchers vote YES to flawed GAIC bill
Vote NO for Don
Don Nardella voted FOR the GAIC bill in the lower house of parliament. That's a vote AGAINST the interests of a large number of his constituents, a vote AGAINST overwhelming public and industry opinion, and a resounding vote AGAINST fairness and equity. Like Madden, his so-called "GAIC backflip" was just an ugly stunt. Don, your treachery will not be forgotten come election ti...
Et Tu Brutus
Don Nardella is your typical spineless labor politician.
He does not have the ability to comprehend many things including the GAIC's impact on his constituents.
He is happy to coast along (as many others of his ilk are) until thrown out and then to live the GOOD life in taxpayer funded retirement, to attend functions and to generally attempt to portray a concern for his electorate, but in his heart of hearts knows he doesn't have the substance to go to bat for his constituents.
People reading this may consider it unfair playing the man not the issue, but trying to explain anything to Don is like having a conversation with brick wall (Double Brick ).
As a politician who should be caring for us in Melton you are as usefull as a mans tit.
Eric ...
labor party
labor party are all a pack of dogs without a heart for these hard working peop...
GAIC
I hope the Voters when it is time to vote will remember the Labor party and Don Nardella, Danielle Green, TammyLobarto and Ben Hardman and retire them all They do not represent their constitue...
Bring on the election
Don, as expected,you have toed the party line and voted for this disgraceful legalised form of theft from private citizens. Your actions like those of your fellow crooks will forever be remembered. Bring on the election - you have just committed political suicide!!! We are spreading the word and making sure that people know exactly what the Labor Party are trying to do to this count...
362 days until four Labor MPs retire
No, Eric, I don't think you're being unreasonable, and playing the man instead of the issue. The man is a human being who made a decision to vote in favour of a form of taxation so extortionate and undemocratic that it should never have been proposed, let alone approved of by any right-minded person. People vote him in, and he goes and bites the hand that feeds him! What sensible politician does that?
Labor holds 55 seats in the Lower House. If they don't gain any more, it looks like they'll have no more than 51 as of November 27, 20...
Coward
Don Nardella you are a spinless coward when backed in a corner you are against the GAIC all of a sudden in parliament you decide to vote for you are what us women call a TWO FACED B.......
Couple takes tax campaign to telly
Families fighting the GAIC
Congratulations Vince and Mary on a great ad, showing the real people and the real effect of this totally unfair t...
GAIC to be blocked in the Upper House, say Liberals
Madden stop lying!
So Matthew Guy has been pussy footing has he. Well at least he is listening. So Madden if any of your chums become"instant millionaires are you going to tax them? Why don't you pull your head out of where the sun doesnt shine and take note of all the other industries that are now opposing this tax. Stop trying to make out we are "instant millionaires". Come out and buy my place for the supposed $11.5mill you keep telling me its worth. Dont forget though you owe Seamer $2.2mil.. even though my peoperty's only valued at $1.5mil. And you reckon this will make land cheaper.. yeh to developers only. You dont deserve to be in parliament..make the most of it 'cause you and your cronies won't be there next ye...
Minister alters view on sprawl
Has Madden passed away?
I thought Minister Madden said that there would be no further changes to the UGB "in his lifetime". Have I missed something? Has Madden left this life? Surely the death of a politician (second-rate, untrustworthy and uncaring though he is) would rate some sort of mention...
GAIC tax protest grows
Labor MP's attack landowners
Posted in the Melton Leader 17/12/09
Labor's immoral GAIC Tax was voted through the Lower House of State Government by the Labor majority MPs. They were Allan, Ms. Kosky, Ms. Andrews, Mr. Langdon, Mr. Batchelor, Mr. Languiller, Mr. Beattie, Ms. Lim, Mr. Brooks, Mr. Lobato, Ms. Campbell, Ms. Lupton, Mr. Carli, Mr. Maddigan, Mrs. D'Ambrosio, Ms. Marshall, Ms. Donnellan, Mr. Morand, Ms. Duncan, M.s Munt, Ms. Eren, Mr. Nardella, Mr. Foley, Mr. Neville, Ms. Graley, Ms. Noonan, M.r Green, Ms. Pandazopoulos, Mr. Hardman, Mr. Perera, Mr. Harkness, Dr Pike, Ms. Helper, Mr. Richardson, Ms. Herbert, Mr. Robinson, Mr. Holding, Mr. Scott, Mr. Howard, Mr. Seitz, Mr. Hudson, Mr. Stensholt, Mr. Hulls, Mr. Thomson, Ms. Ingram, Mr. Trezise, Mr. Kairouz, Ms.
If you, your family or your community are being threatened by this legislation write them an email and let them know what you think of this immoral tax and those that vote for it.
MP Don Nardella from Melton has branded farmers, hobby farmers and small property owners "Spivs and carpetbaggers" in the lower house debate on the GAIC Tax. Apparently anybody that opposes this new Land Tax is a "Spiv".
A "Spiv" is a 1920's English term for a Conman, cheat and liar.
I am a tradesman and worked 7 days a week for 30 years to own my property. How dare any politician call me a conman, cheat or liar for defending my life's work.
Don Nardella go to hel...
Don Nardella called us a bunch of ‘Carpetbaggers’ and ‘Spivs’?
Don, tell me this isn’t so! And I’ll tell you the true Carpetbaggers and Spivs of this town aren’t only found in Spring Street!
Don, I’m not usually into personal attacks, especially during the festive season and all, but when your attacks involve people’s homes, livelihoods, well being and common ‘RIGHTS’, then I do like to let rip under the circumstances.
Your government’s financial mismanagement has brought this entire GAIC debacle about, nothing else. What surprises me the most though is the fact that your government and your half-statured (not worth two bob) boss ‘Brumby’ deemed you expendable? He thinks you’re only worth a pittance, and yet you’ve bowed to his request like a ‘Yes Man’ and voted for this Growth Areas Infrastructure Cash-grab despite the disapproval of your electorate, the very people who entrusted and honored you the esteemed position you hold but take for granted. You’ve managed to let them down, and why?
Because Don, you are indeed only worth a pittance and no more than a simplistic ‘Yes Man’; a simpleton.
Happy Boxing Day Don, the gloves are off…!...
Victorian GAIC bill fenced in
Should the Government abandon the GAIC?
The current GAIC proposal should be thrown out, along with the Victorian Labor Government. Development levies should be charged when land is actually developed. Its fair and easy to undertand unlike the current legislati...
Not abandon it, just introduce it with a bit of common sense. Although it seems that common sense is something Brumby and Madden don't have a lot ...
Unfair Tax exposes a greedy Lobor Government
The GAIC tax is simply offensive to any fair minded person that takes the time to read what Planning Minister Madden and Premier Brumby are plotting. They are singling out a small number of Victorians to pay a huge tax, in many cases a tax that will exceed 50% of the value of their properties and for some people even more than the property is worth. It sounds unbelievable doesn't it? It is FACT! Go to the "Taxed Out" website and read who will be victimized by this Tax at this stage. It's more than grossly unfair, it is dangerous. If this legislation is passed it sets a precedent that every property owner should fear. This proposal will cost the Labor Party the next election, and they will deserve it.
Posted by: Michael Harte of Woodstock 10:30...
Labor alters the GAIC - yet again
Brumby
It is clear to all of us that this arrogant Brumby Government has no idea and no connection with it's people. Time for the People to change their Government. Mr Brumby, your government is no longer the government of the people but rather a dictatorship with very little vision and empathy. We will remember this at election time...
More superficial GAIC changes from Labor - more uncertainty for landowners
Spivs and carpetbaggers
All of us who support Taxed Out I have discovered are spivs and carpetbaggers according to Nardella and Beattie. We also appear before committees and provide falsehoods and misleading information. The Taxed organisation is also a front for the Liberal Party according to Ms Beattie.
I encourage everyone to copy and paste this link into their browsers to see what the Labor Party think of us. http://bit.ly/4Ah...
Dispute Resolution Committee
So Labor have said if the GAIC legislation is knocked back they will take it to the Dispute Resolution Committee. The last time the Labor Party did this the Liberals folded under the pressure.
Is the Liberal Party prepared to continue to reject this bill and go to an electio...
Spivs and carpetbaggers
This man was voted in to represent us??!! Don't bite the hand that feeds you Don - come election time there will no more free lunch...
A constituents reference a la Don Nardella
EVERYBODY and Anybody who wants to know how our labor member for Melton perceives a large part of his constituents to be, should read Hansard on http://bit.ly/4AhySs
To Nardella we are no more than Spivs and Carpetbaggers, these are early 20th century terms for what might now be reagarded as Conmen.
Conmen indeed, Most of us started life without a silver spoon in our mouths, worked long and hard and made many
sacrifices along the way, to achieve the way of life we have, we will not be cheated of the rewards of our efforts and achievements.
This LABOR Government has as is their want allocated our tax payers funds with insufficient caution and scrutiny to the extent they now find themselves all but broke.
The dilemna for them is to refill their coffers urgently and a qick way they thought would be to apply a $95,000.00
PER HECTARE tAX ON 400000 APPROX hECTARES OF NEW UGB LAND. This would bring in approx $3.8 Billion of which HALF would go to look after and grow the GAA where a lot of their mates have jobs and the other to a slush fund with no guarantee the money would be spent in regions from where the money was extorted.
DON how do you sleep at night .
JA...
Peter, I don't think they will fight on. I am thinking they will negotiate this week and when the debate resumes this week it will get put through. The development industry, sales and landowners are at a complete stand still. Its costing way too much money to drag it on for too much longer, and the liberals wouldn't want this as an election issue (cost inccrease in housing bla bla)
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Debate adjourned until February
Tony,
I have just been informed that there will be no special sitting of Parliament this week so the GAIC debate will be held over until February. We are still unsure if debate will resume in the upper house or the matter will automatically be referred to a Dispute Resolution Committee as it will have expired by that ti...
Thanks Jeanette, I was under the impression that the debate was to resume on the 17th December (Thursday)? As per the Legislative Council orders of the day?
If it were to go to the Dispute Resolution Committee when will this occur?
I have been following the property market and everything has stopped, prices have dropped (in some areas to as low as an average of $31 sq/m) which is not good for any land owner who is looking to sell as this would be a new benchmark, the days of $45-55 per sq/m aren't around anymore. The longer they drag this on the worse it effects the sale pric...
Dispute resolution committee
If it is referred to a dispute resolution committee I'm unsure how long this will take. The longer this drags on the worse it looks for the Government so they will be trying to resolve it as quickly as possible. If they had taken off their blinkers and earmuffs and had some meaningful discussions with landowners and developers this could have been resolved a long time a...
M3 Property Strategists report on the impact of the GAIC
GAIC Tax has "State wide implications"
It is obvious to the public but now even property advisers are coming out and saying that the GAIC Tax has implications for all of Victoria.
If this "Growth Area Tax" is passed within a few years Ballarat, Bendigo, Echuca, Kilmore, they will all be captured. You can call any area people want to build houses a "Growth Area".
Labor Politicians claim that "Taxed Out", the Greens, the Liberals, the Nationals and anybody else that oposes the GAIC are "Scaring People" telling people just outside the current UGB they may have to pay this huge Tax If the boundary moves again. What a Joke!
Do Labor MPs Don Nardella and Danielle Green expect us to believe this National Property Adviser, M3 Property, has nothing better to do than run around needlessly "Scaring" all of Victoria about the impact of their new Tax. They are reporting the facts to their Industry and Clients.
Labor MPs should be ashamed of themselves for voting for this Ugly and Unfair T...
scare campaign
So Taxed Out are running a scare campaign as quoted by Don Nardella
"The Michael Hockings of the world and the Taxed Out people go out and scare people. They want to scare people into believing their falsehoods by distributing leaflets in places like Bacchus Marsh and in the middle of the suburbs. The government could only dream of getting to that standard of spin used by those spivs and spin doctors. We could only dream of it."
The Labor Party are hiding the truth about this tax, they intend to introduce it statewide. They will be able to declare any area a growth area and claim this tax.
Don your not dreaming about it, you're living ...
Melton Labor MP still may sue
The pot calling the kettle black
Don't do as I do, do as I say seems to be the message from Mr Nardella.
What a role model for the community he has turned out to be. While every single community group, council and industry group condemns the GAIC tax what does he say about it in parliament?
Aside from slandering everyone he can think of, he forgot Father Xmas,he has the audacity to call the tax "Fantastic".
Nardella's fantastic tax will lead to higher prices for first home owners as developers owning land pass the tax straight on. At a time when interest rates are climbing and the first home owners grant is disappearing the Brumby government intend to raise the cost of housing by introducing yet another tax on property.
Nothing will shift the preference of a voter more than a hole in the hip pocket.
Taxed Out should now become a potent force for those that are soon to be Taxed Out of the first home owners market by Brumby and Nardella's fantastic tax....
MP Nardella Slanders all GAIC Stakeholders
“Spivs and Carpetbaggers”
Labor MP Don Nardella’s statements in this article reek of hypocrisy. In supposed outrage over another MP’s statements in Parliament he says: “To have allegations made against oneself that are baseless and can affect one’s reputation is really serious. “I value my reputation. I value the work I do in the community, and it should not be besmirched by anybody making false allegations.”
Well, that’s amazing. Talk about the pot calling the kettle “Black”.
MP Nardella in Parliament a few weeks ago cast slur and slander on thousands of hardworking and honest Victorians for opposing an excessive, ill conceived and grossly unfair new land Tax, cowardly call a “Contribution” This Tax is the GAIC. Farmers, hobby farmers and Landowners, big and small, trapped by the State Government moving the Urban Growth Boundary (UGB) may loose anywhere from 30% to 80% of the value of their properties due to this new tax, if they need to sell. For some properties the tax may be more than the property is worth!
For opposing this immoral tax MP Nardella has stood in Parliament and called me, my family, my neighbors and my Community “Spivs”, “Carpetbaggers” and Liars. Now a “Spiv” is a 1920’s English term for a conman, thief or petty criminal.
MP Nardella is supposedly outraged over the trashing of his reputation but sees fit to slander thousands of hardworking and honest Victorians. Read his baseless allegations here.
http://bit.ly/4AhySs
Then make up your own mind who the Conman really is.
This opinion was posted in the Melton Leader on 23/12/200...
don nardella
Hello Don, some words of advice my father gave me as a child,
KEEP YOURSELF NICE!!
Think you need some words of advice before you make public comme...
don nardella
“Spivs and Carpetbaggers” that’s really nice coming from a Politician.
What is it they do again? Oh, Yeh, they make promises, they will promise you this, that & the other thing.
During their election campaigns they strut around kissing babies, spruiking how they will make improvements if you elect them.
Think about this ...name one honest politician, one that has never lied to the Australian punter?
Politian’s are supposed to represent us.
Us the worker
Us the land owner
Us the family
Us the rate payer
Us the tax payer.
Us the capital tax payer
Us the payroll tax payer
Us the stamp duty tax payer
Do you notice there is a common theme? Payer, we keep on paying!!
I am at pains to understand where all the revenue from our taxes go.
We pay the wages for Don & his ilk & all the perks associated with their job (and there are many, many perks for Politician’s); Governments at all levels understand that there exists a high level of complacency within our communities & they use that weakness to undermine the voter.
Tell your local Politician, tell your State Politician “NO MORE” we the Tax Payers of this State will not be treated in this manner.
We all need to show Don & his ilk what we really think of them at the next election; the threat of losing their seat is the one thing that really scares the pants off them!...
Rethink on outer urban expansion
rethink on outer urban expansion
Its quite simple the labour government has no money its broke and not only that they don't want all these land holders becoming million heirs So what better way is their to rip land holders of their money Is to charge a gaic tax AND THEY know their government is under the pump because come next election they know their gone And why all of a sudden they are having a rethink ON THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY F--K U...
Where does this leave us Minister Madden?
So Minister Madden claims that the UGB expansion may be put on the backburner. But pulling back from the proposal does not remove the shadow now hanging over our properties. Give us some certainty Minister. You claim that you're no longer in a hurry to expand the boundary now that your frenzied cash grab has been stalled by the opposition. Stop trying to convince everyone that opponents of this plan don't know what they want. We all know that the GAIC needs to be charged at the point of development but your failure to acknowledge this fact and fix the problem is highlighting your incompetence and leaving landowners and developers in a no-man's land of uncertain...
re: Where does this leave us Minister Madden?
Well said.
In my opinion this is a ploy, this is a way to drive down prices for all land owners. Each and every land holder should be very very worried; developers will be extremely happy about this as the uncertainty is simply reducing land prices for developers to pick up cheap from people who want/need to sell.
On the other side of things, the 500 or so property owners that face the forced acquisition of property the will go ahead regardless are simply going to be ripped of by this corrupt government. Now instead of getting fair rezoned prices they are going to get next to nothing. The government is literally going to rob them of their retirement funds. I fell sorry for these people I really do. It is simply utter bullshit and proves how useless the government, opposition and their respective puppets are, it’s the people who work hard, do the right thing and pay their taxes that cop it.
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The Age of Uncertainty
Certainty from Madden?
'Planning and environment academic Michael Buxton, of RMIT University, said: ''Everyone has got an argument for an anomaly. I think this Government has shown that it has absolutely no idea what a growth boundary is supposed to do. It is supposed to provide certainty and to signal to everybody, including the development community, where people can develop and where they can't,'' he said.' (Minister alters view on sprawl, The Age, 3/12).
Certainty would be the hallmark of professionalism and fair dealing - two things the bumbling Gumby Government doesn't seem to understand the meaning of. 326 days till the election - and counting every o...
Power of People will always WIN
Minister Madden, you must feel like a real fool in yor handling if this proposed Tax.. You failed to listen to common sense, you failed to listen to Industry experts and most importantly you failed to listen to the people that voted you in. The Power of the People will always provail. To the Green and Libs, thanks for your Leadership and courage to battle these unfair Taxes. You have our Vot...
Open your ears Minister Madden
Minister Madden you are not listening to the people on the ground who put you where you are today. Many agree that some sort of development charge is necessary. However it should be paid at the point where the "big money" is made, that is when development is approved, not by the landowner who may want (or have) to sell for many different reasons - not necessarily at the time of their choosing or when the big money that you tell us about will be on offer. If the GAIC is introduced as you want it will be a total rip off - land already in the UGB, in our particular area, has sold recently for a figure considerably less than you are suggesting we will receive, if we are included in the UGB. ...
Urban Growth Bill stalled in State Parliament
Madden and spin
Madden said ""Of course we don't have the numbers in the Upper House, so the pressure is really on the other parties to come up with their suggested amendments."
"It would seem that the opposition parties are not prepared to consider compromise on this bill."
"As yet the only suggested amendments we have from the opposition is the word 'no'."
What!!!!
Madden, I know you went off to America when you should have been here negotiating with the opposition about amendments to this idiotic legislation but for you to say that all the opposition have been saying is no really just confirms to Victorians what a complete fool you are. When you retire you should join a circus trou...
Maddens lies again
Madden says the opposition have only been saying 'no' to the GAIC..more proof he is completely ignoring anything anyone is saying to him as the oppostition and Taxed Out have all along stated that the GAIC trigger be moved to a more equitable and fair point, ie at the point when a permit for development has been approved. What could be more simpler.. sorry obviously Madden as he acts more like goofy everyday.
Don Nardella must be feeling like a fool now as he called the GAIC a "fantastic tax" (Hansard). What now Don when even your government has come out as bumbling fools and stated the opposite of waht they have been telling everyone all along that they have enough land at the moment not to rush this tax till next election. What an absolute mess this govt is creating! Indecision is only putting more lives on hold.. I wish Nardella, Madden and Brumby all had aged parents that wanted to move on and couldnt due to govt mismanagement. Wouldnt they act then. Let us live in peace and without worry after all isnt that what everyone wishes for mankind at this time of year.
This is the most frustrating thing I have ever found, govt not listening to sheer common sense. Geeez I hope your xmas was shit, because mine was, and it looks like this is going to be a long year. Come election time i will be pushing my hardest to get people to vote anything but labor.
Make the most of it guys, Armageddon is comi...
Developers urge action on urban-fringe levy bill
GAIC
I don't own land but I can certainly understand the frustration of landowners enough to make me put pen to paper. I think the government's proposal draconian and typical of the law used in medieval times. In my view, landowners are being punished unjustly. While I agree more land will be required in the near future to accommodate population growth, why is it that the landowner is being penalised for something the government wants. If you want something, you pay for it. The onus shouldn't fall on the landowner to pay the tax - it should be the purchaser that pays - in this instance it is the developer at the time of purchase. Secondly why do landowners have to pay higher rates on a property where benefit realisation has not yet occurred? Does the Australian movie 'The Castle' ring any bel...
GAIC
Well said Linda. Landowners are just like any other property owners and shouldn't be discriminated. Its obviously unfair for those poor landowners. The funny thing is though People used to think the Labor Party is the one that looks after the lower class people. What's happening here no...
Growth Areas Infrastructure Cash-grab
Dear ‘Pittance Crew’, i.e. Brumby, Madden, Nardella, Beattie etc.
By now you would realise your chances of re-election are looking pretty dismal?
You people of Spring Street who were voted in to uphold values, equity and viability for Victoria and its people… February is your chance to 'repent' and make the GAIC apply at the point of development and in doing so; apply across the entire State of Victoria, safeguarding yourselves against claims of discrimination and victimisation from landowners on Melbourne’s outer fringes.
Applying the GAIC in this way, you will no doubt rake in more money than you thought possible!
Of course, the downside of this means; more money for you guys to ‘BLOW’.
Labor has never been able to spend money wisely or equitably. If Labor pulled in an extra $Billion from extra taxes, it would simply be an extra billion it would somehow WASTE.
As previously stated and not trying to sound like a 'broken record'; I’m on just over 2 hectares in Greenvale and was brought into the UGB in 2005. If I sell, the purchaser has to pay a GAIC of $160,000+, this being on top of the already hideous 5.5% Stamp Duty. (This of course is only a pittance compared to some landowners and the GAIC tax they face). A potential buyer isn’t going to pay $160,000+ for a so-called ‘infrastructure contribution levy’ when a minimum of 40 hectares is required for development. Neither should they! The majority of properties South of Somerton Road are on two to four hectares, with only one or two on six hectares, yet you’ve applied the GAIC here and to similar areas around Melbourne too small to develop. They can’t be developed under your very ruling, yet you’re demanding a TAX for infrastructure that won’t eventuate, HOW IS THIS SO…???
In Dons case we already know;
Do as the boss says, no more, no less. Be it the raising of taxes, fees or charges… never admit to being wrong… just always do what the good doctor orders… that malevolent fool being;
Spin Doctor John!!!...
GAIC cloud will remain over UGB land
The Labor Party certainly won't want the GAIC on the table leading up to the next election! Otherwise people might ask;
"What if this GAIC were to happen to me and to the homes in my area?"
Rest assured, if the Brumby Government gets re-elected, the GAIC will spread faster than the wildfires of 'Black Saturday' and cut a path across the entire State of Victoria, wiping out family farms, properties and livelihoods, and why...???
Because of the Brumby Governments financial mismanagement...!!!
A government that lacks the competence to run a chook raffle let alone our great state. So, whilst Victoria is well on its way to rack and ruin under the command of 'Spin Doctor John', people had better take the next election very seriously, otherwise the likes of Don Nardella, Liz Beattie and the rest of their ilk 'pittance crew' will wreak havoc on a scale far worse than they've already done.
Don, your Party's 'gang bang' days are over. Now it's time to clean up the mess...!!! ...
Brumby and Madden go *****
Well Said Gerard, Brumby and his pary have lost the plot and and very soon every Victorian will have an exit tax on their home. These guys have no vision or Leadership all they do is add legislation and tax, we truly are a nanny state. Labor party you will never see my vote again..
Don Nardella, I voted for you as did all my neighbours, what a mistake and never again. Move the tax to development stage...
GAIC latest stalling
This GAIC nonsense is getting more unbelievable as time goes on. The Planning Minister Justin Madden persists with the same arguments refusing to accept alternate possibilities and worse still, claims that none exist. I am very grateful to Michael Hocking and the Taxed Out committee for their persistence and dedication in keeping up the fight against this unjust tax. Everything that needs to be said HAS been said - over and over again, but as the government is wearing ear plugs we must continue to keep putting the facts forward. I am interested to know when the newly indexed "contribution" will be announced, as 1 year has passed so $95,000 can be no longer relevant...
Too many idiots
The uncertainty of it all is the worst part.
It's killing all land owners as we a literally stuck with no where to go. If I were to decide or forced to sell tomorrow no developer is going to pay a fair price as they have no idea what a fair price is!
I am surprised that Madden and moreso Brumby would allow this to hang over thier heads for any longer considering it is an election issue. I mean which idiot would not make such a sensible amendment and be done with the issue so we can all move on with our lives?
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What of our constitutional Land rights?
If there was any doubt as to where the Labor Party was leading Australia one needs to google up " Brigalow Corporation And Fee Simple land rights"
The ALP is coordinating a drive to remove all Australian land from private ownership .Qld has already fallen and NSW is well on the way.
The information posted is rivetting.
Gor...
Mixed Messages
I came across a media release by Jacinta Allan called “Opposition Doesn’t Give a GAIC about Regional Victoria” when I was reading through the Upper House GAIC debate. It’s at http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/newsroom/8817.html
In it, she says things like, “The Liberal-National Opposition is threatening to force regional and rural Victorians to pay for roads, trains, schools and hospitals in Melbourne’s new suburbs with its move to block a developer contribution scheme”, and “The Opposition wants to raid regional and rural Victorians’ piggy banks and let developers walk away with the profit”.
But I thought the government has tied the expansion of the Urban Growth Boundary to the passing of the GAIC bill. So why is she telling country people that if the GAIC bill doesn’t pass, they’ll have their piggy banks raided to pay for infrastructure in new suburbs in growth areas, when if the bill doesn’t pass, the UGB isn’t going to be expanded and those suburbs aren’t going to be built? I’m confus...
Guillotining property values now
Has anyone seen this on Don Nardella's parliamentary handbook page:
Previous Occupation: Guillotine operator and quality control inspector, John Lysaght 1978-79. Tradesman's assistant and First Class Welder, V.P. Hawthorne Pty. Ltd. 1979-85. State Organiser, ALP, Victoria 1985-92.
Minister Madden, Your GAIC tax is turning out to be another Myki...
Dont let GAIC ruin your political career just like Myki did for Lyn Koski..
People do not Vote for Tax centric governmen...
Uncertainty over land tax
justin madden
Why not put madden as transport minister he F cked up the urban growth issues If he where to be made transport minister he really could f ck up Victoria madden should swap jobs with the new transport minister then maybe we could get some one with a bit of common decency AND DO SOMETHING FOR THE THE GOOD OF THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE OF VICTORIA ...
Uncertainty over land tax
Well people we better get of our bums and start door knocking to let people know what is happening in our state if we want to get rid of the labor party and the gaic tax at least when you vote liberal you know there coming for your throat but they don't want every thing And now the labor party just want everything you own and theirs talk of a exit tax when you sell your family home how much is that going to cost...
On that subject...
Madden's busy enough with his important new job. Didn't you hear? Now that Kosky's gone he's the least respected minister in the government, so Brumby decided to make him Minister for Respect. His job is to teach people respect, so they won't get drunk and bash and road rage one another. Of course, that position's made more difficult by the beer barns his department keeps approving: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/editorial/the-government-keeps-stumbling-on-drinking-barns-20091030-hnx6.h...
maddens bike helmet
Only a idiot would wear a bike helmetin a football game so whoever voted for him to be a minister needs to rethink PUT A CLOWN IN CHARGE OF SOMETHING YOU END UP WITH A CIRC...
GAIC debate adjourned again
Gaic debate adjourned again
It is well worth reading Donna Petrovich's speech as she obviously has done her homework and understands the situation CONGRATULATIONS on behalf of all of us who are affected by this proposed ridiculous GAIC tax - Typical of Mr Madden to be absent - He may of learnt something although I think he believes in the motto - SEE NOTHING - HEAR NOTHING - SPEAK NOTHING
Thank you to those politicians who are opposing this grab for c...
well done Petrovich
Petrovich's speech shows her real concern about people who have no power. Wish Mr Madden had one 90th of Petrovich's heart or sympathy. GAIC is simply robbery, discriminating and poisoning! Unless Mr Brumby, Madden and their puppies agree to pay GAIC themselves when they sell their properties, we will fight to the end to let their greedy, evil plan to go to hell! We need Government with Petrovich's heart, of the people, for the peop...
VIC Coalition calls for GAIC certainty
Nice swing against them in Altona
What a mess the Labor Party has made
Of a situation where they could have stayed
In power for another twenty years
Since so many people had horrible fears
Of just what sort of alarming track
We’d be on if Mr Jones came back
To rule the farm with a rod of steel
And once again break us on the privatisation wheel
But now, Labor simply has to go
Since they’ve seriously stuffed up running the show
And they’re as hated as the Kennett Government ever was
And we all know why – that’s right, because
They forgot that if they treat people like dirt
And rip from their backs too many shirts
They ride them out of town on a rail –
Assuming the train system doesn’t f...
marginal seats
While we haven't got rid of them yet at least we know a few of the Labor MP's in marginal seats who have supported the GAIC like Bronwyn Pike should start looking for a new j...
Judith - Nice Swing against them in Altona
Judith's brilliant poem nails it in one - we're living Animal Farm all over again, being taken for fools and milked for taxes and fees. The balance of power has to be held by non-Labor, non-Liberal MP's so the 'big two' parties are scrutinised, made accountable and made to provide functional services. Hopefully also a corruption commission so we can see where the money is actually goi...
Thank God for the Libs
I must say I like many others in my area always voted Labor until they decided that it was a good idea to take 50% of the value of our family home in Gaic Tax. No more Labor for me and thank God for the Liberals for showing Leadership and putting a halt on thsi criminal Tax. My vote goes to the Libs next time.
...
Not just the Libs
To give credit where credit's due, the Greens deserve a bit as well. Labor has 19 seats in the Upper House, and the Coalition has 17 (15 Lib + 2 Nationals). The 3 Greens joined with the Coalition and blocked the GAIC.
The one DLP candidate in the Upper House, Peter Kavanagh, doesn't sound in favour of it either, judging by this on his website: http://peterkavanagh.blogspot.com/2009/12/growth-areas-infrastructure.ht...
GAIC OUT ASAP, Labor and Greens OUT!
I own a substantial piece of land in the Growth area, and am affected severely. Following parliament (in there sittings), the "Greens" did assist in blocking the GAIC, but why do the "Greens" want to double the GAIC TAX? Being a Labor voter all my life, its time for the Liberals to take charge of the west. Vote Labor or Greens (aren't they in bed?), and not only will we lose our land, we will lose all the roads. Imagin bicycling in from Melton to the City to Work, no than...
Huh?
What roads do Labor and the Greens want to close? I thought Labor loves building roads. So how on earth could you lose "all the roads"?
And how can the Greens want to both block the GAIC and double it at the same time? I read that they thought it's "way too low" ("Labor tweaks its new tax", The Age, 17/10), but also that only developers should pay it. How would a higher GAIC that only gets paid by developers affect you? Are you a developer?
And what's this about bicycles? There's a train line to Melton. Has someone been spreading silly propaganda, and saying that the Greens expect everyone to bicycle to work? If so, I hope no one's fallen for it. They even want to build more train and tram lines. You can see the map of what they want to build at http://www.thepeopleplan.org.au/
Please expla...
"No GAIC levy payable" becomes major sales point
Indeed, such is the absurdity & the intellect of those that govern or rather rule!! Out with them ASAP...
Stop hiring star pollies
Aaarrrgh!
Madden, the Homer Simpson of Victorian politics, considers himself a future premier? So we could have a worse one than Gum...
Madden
Homer Simpson or that Disney character "Goofy" mind you Goofy was probably much loved and popul...
stop hiring star pollies
Ssh... Don't wake poor Minister Madden up !! While he is dreaming of being Premier he won't notice just how unpopular he ...
Homer
And Homer's sort of lovable too, so perhaps that wasn't the best analogy.
Maybe he's Homer on a day when he's just about caused a nuclear meltdown. The sort of situation that makes you want to clutch your head and scream, "What's that man doing in that job? And what mental defective put him there? HE HAS TO GO!!...
Madden
Madden Minister what a joke??? I have heard him speak and he has no idea what he is talking about....
Anyone who has been affected by the GAIC and votes for Labor in the next election,even if the bill gets defeated deservers Madden as their Premier
...
True
Just like those Werribee line users in Altona who voted Labor deserve their part-time train li...
GAIC bill defeated in Upper House
Breathtaking arrogance
How typical of the arrogant, out-of-touch Brumby Government to blindly try to force this legislation through parliament against a tide of opposition from landowners, industry and the community. Can they really be that thick-headed?? Full marks to the opposition parties (Greens, Libs/Nats and DLP) for standing their ground and voting for common sense and a fair go. Let's hope the Victorian public do likewise at the next election and kick this incompetent, money-wasting Brumby-bunch out on their ea...
GAIC Tax defeated for now
A victory for common sense and a tribute to the opposition parties that listened to landowner concerns.
We need to get this tax issue resolved rather than put on hold until after the election. Your property will still be impacted by the threat that this government clearly want an upfront tax on the sale of land.
Until that issue is resolved someone purchasing land must consider the risk that Brumby will come back and tax them.
While that risk remains your property will be devalued.
...
Doesn't change anything
Michael you are absolutely right, land in the investigation area is still going to be under valued, so we are left with nuts again.
The GAIC whilst defeated will come back again as Victoria needs more land,there is no disputing this fact, now we are left in limbo all over aga...
labor are spiteful, nasty and shortsighted
A great result, however, while this government remains in power the GAIC tax remains a threat to sellers and purchasers. The Labor Party is not only arrogant but it has got the sulks and as a nasty payback will be happy to leave landowners in limbo until after the election. Madden and Brumby are classic narcissists.
Because the Labor Party have refused to negotiate with the Libs first home buyers will be faced with increasing prices for land because of the increasing shortage of land. Madden and Brumby are showing us again how short sighted they ar...
Is it really over?
But what's going to happen if Labor ever gets a majority in the Upper House as well as the Lower House? They'll ram the GAIC through as their first order of business, won't th...
GAIC Defeated for now
Congratulations to all those at Taxed Out, to the people with the grit to support them and to the Greens, Libs, Nats and the DLP that showed they do actually care about ordinary Victorians that stood to be ripped off by a Greedy Labor Government.
The battle has been won but not the war. Labor is killing this off as an election issue because it stood to hurt them incredibly as more people became aware of the GAIC truth, leading up to an election. Now is the time to regroup and make every property owner in Victoria know what is at stake if Labor is elected this ye...
WHAT NEXT?
We can't wait untill the election, to much risk. We must push for the issue to be resolved as a matter of urgency.
It is still a massive cloud over each and every property owner and anyone home buyer in Victoria.
Being in the construction industry, i know first hand how critical land supply is, there is not much left it is that simple.
No one will purchase any land until this is resolved, and your land is still undervalued because of this mess.
We need to push hard and fast on resolution to this matter or we are all stuffed. You thing a bank is not going to take the GAIC into account, think again, this has changed nothing...
What next?
Agreed Luke - the continued uncertainty is sure to impact on property values. The Premier said on ABC radio this morning that the bill would be going back to cabinet - so we must keep the pressure on. At least the government has been sent a very clear message that the current model is unacceptable and they need to make major changes if they are to have any hope of getting it passed. A small victory - but as you say "the war is not ove...
GAIC
The GAIC tax is another greedy tax, the great Australian dream can never be fully achieved with confidence while our Governments take whatever they can through the loop hole of legslation.
This tax issue definitely needs to be resolved before the election. Because there is no moral guilt from governments breaking election promises after election. ...
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Brumby's unfair GAIC bites the dust
Congrats
You should all be happy! The government won't be moving the boundary at all now... yay....you can stay on your land and not pay tax. All the be...
congratulations but the jobs not yet finished.
Well Done Taxed Out,
But the fight should continue to push these so & so's who gave us so much grief and worry right out of Government and more importantly right away from our Taxpayers money which they just love to squander.
Harr...
whos's telling the truth
This is Madden's statement
http://premier.vic.gov.au/newsroom/9520.html
In it he says "Mr Baillieu’s Opposition failed to put forward a plan on how they would fund crucial community infrastructure in growth suburbs, despite repeated approaches from the Government."
The Liberal Party says they offered the government a number of alternatives to the GAIC but all were knocked back. Somebody is playing with the truth and I'm pretty sure I know who it is. Victorians aren't dumb they can see through the spin. Any party that continues to treat them like they are dumb should pay a heavy price at the polling boo...
GAIC Biting the dust
How sweet the news was this morning when I woke up & heard that the GAIC was beaten. Lets hope it continues to be beaten & they are beaten later on this year!!!! :lo...
GAIC
Am I dreaming? Is it over? The hard work of many groups and individuals appears to have finally payed off!The ill-conceived GAIC tax has been defeated after many months of lies and spin put forward by Brumby and simple Simon.Apparently the whole world realised the unfairness of this tax except the Labor twins or should I say the Labor turkeys who can now fatten up before the State election in November and we all know what happens to turkeys come thanksgiving!LOL. Great work Taxed Out and everybody associated with i...
GAIC
Well done everyone. And a big thanks to Michael, Jeanette and all committee members. A great outcom...
GAIC defeated
Congratulations to all of y...
no tax now
No cause to celebrate - yet
Sorry all, this is not finished.
As Michael pointed out, all land earmarked in the UGB expansion is still going to be undervalued. We still have the same problem. I see no cause to celebrate.
The battle has been won but the war is not over untill the UGB issue and GAIC is fully resolved, untill such time we are sitting on under-valued land, so they are still taking the money out of your pockets by them not doing anythi...
Peter's comment
If Peter wasn't sure who was fiddling with the truth (and I'm sure he was), he can find out on p.3 of today's age, "Heat on Madden over Windsor Hotel sham".
I assume the same spin doctor wrote that awful media release he put the link to. Complaining about "Baillieuland" is rich, coming from the proprietor of "Madden Land". Though if the good people of Essendon are smarter than the ones in Altona, this maddening land may only last another 274 days. (Not counting or antyhing ....
Labor's arrogance leads to GAIC defeat
GAIC rightly defeated !
The Growth Areas Infrastructure Cash-grab has been defeated in the Upper House and rightly so.
‘Spin Doctor John’ and his pathetic wayward ilk have once again shot themselves in the foot, and this is indeed a great outcome for landowners.
The Brumby Government is now claiming housing prices around Melbourne will sky rocket as a result of the failed GAIC bill. Well, that’s just too bad Premier. At least that’s one thing going up in this state, because everything else has gone due south; 'to Hell in a handbasket’ under Labors rule. Let’s just wait and see what his next SCAM will be to try and pay for his financial mismanagement and total incompetence in running Victoria…?
And just remember come election time what John Mansfield Brumby and his little rabble really are;
A right bunch of consummate TURDS!!...
GAIC
The Labor Government would have to have known the bill would be defeated so I am amazed that Minister Madden is reported in the Sun as warning that scrapping the tax would inflate house prices ".......and only increase profits for developers." Surely he has had enough time to prepare a better response than to take his bat and ball and go home. Especially when he refused to discuss a workable opti...
GAIC
Finally got a response from the Premier and Cabinet that the matter was a planning issue and would be referred to the Planning Ministry. My emails,letters and phone calls date back to August last year. The email they forwarded was dated February 24th, the day after the GAIC was turfed out. I had also approached the Planning Ministry separately and am still awaiting for replies.
Honest and open Government, I think n...
Crazy Minister "madden"
Bozo tax Minister Madden on 3AW was dazzeled and confused and melted the talkback lines on a similar planning issue where he mislead the people of Victoria. What a spinner, have a listen.
The Brumby government have known for months that this legislation was going to be defeated. Brumby says there is no plan B. It is no good blaming the opposition for increased housing costs as a result of this defeat when you clearly should have a Plan B. Brumby's government is either grossly incompetent or are guilty of being negligent of their duti...
what next?
Sorry all, this is not finished.
As Michael pointed out, all land earmarked in the UGB expansion is still going to be undervalued. We still have the same problem. I see no cause to celebrate.
The battle has been won but the war is not over untill the UGB issue and GAIC is fully resolved, until such time we are sitting on under-valued land, so they are still taking the money out of your pockets by them not doing anythi...
Another Brumby/Madden ploy?
Given the recent revelations emanating from Maddens own department regarding sham consultations, is this decision just another plo...
Growth area tax plan defeated
Legislation defeat a win for all land owners
This is a win for all farmers and lifestyle property owners the Brumby government has not been listening and through their arrogance now has suffered the humiliation of having its flawed legislation defeated. Landowners, developers and councils have been saying loud and clear for months that this legislation is grossly unfair and unjust but Mr Brumby and Mr Madden have not listened. This is clearly another example of Brumby Labour government incompetence and can be added to failures with Myki, the public transport system, and public safety. It is time for this government to be shown the door at the pol...
just like spoilt bully boys
Now that the Labor Party and their bully boys have been thrashed over the GAIC, they just want to be vindictive by saying that housing shortages will now make it neigh on impossible for young people to get into a home of their own.
If thats the best they can do ,its high time they got right out of Planning and to let the market determine where its to build and at what price. Its about time land owners had an as-of-right to develop their properties without government interference, this would dramatically reduce the cost of land.
My neighbours and I collectively have an area of approx 880 acres and only 1 kilometre from a soon to be suburban rail link at its closest point.
We could develop and market blocks of approx 750mm2 and sell for around $80,000.00 this being around $100,000.00 less than if it were developed by one of the corporate developers.
There is no justification for not approving similar properties around Melbournes fringes if the Government was any way serious sbout confronting housing affordability.
Jordan ...
why we need them ?
Well said, Russell. A government is not for the people, by the people, why we need them ? They cost a lot by being arrogance. Victorian had enoug...
Home dreams shattered by growth levy rejection, says MP
Who is stopping the UGB expansion??
Yet more spin from the master - Don Nardella. So the fact that the UGB won't be expanded will push up housing prices according to Don. Apart from the absurdity of Don's belief that introducing a development tax that imposed huge upfront costs on developers and interest rates in excess of 11% for any deferred payment would have NO impact on housing prices, who is responsible for the UGB not shifting? The Brumby Labor Government. That's because they linked the expansion to the passing of the GAIC bill and then refused to negotiate to get it through parliament. Now that their ill-conceived plan has failed they seem to have handed over responsibility for the state's planning issues to the opposition. Hello people -you are the government, until November anyway, when (with any luck) the other side can take over and fix up this monumental mess that is "Melbourne@5 million". For me its 5 million good reasons to vote you o...
dreams shattered?
If Don was really worried about first home buyers he would have made sure there was a Pla...
Government email reveals plans to deceive
Busted ...
The story above illustrates the attitude of Mr. Madden's department to community consultation and the endless spin that surrounds him. Of course it's nothing we didn't already know but how nice to see them caught ou...
Dumb and dumber
I thought dumb and dumber were fictional characters - didn't realise it was Madden and Brumby ...
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise
Who said that?
Oh shucks, I suppose there is some similaritie...
Madden blames staffer for hotel strategy
Madden said "The staffer took the liberty of assuming an option that has not been entered into because the process is still under way."
Why would the staffer take the liberty of assuming the option? What was going on in her head when she drew up this "strategy"
We can all hear her saying to herself "yeah, this is my call I've decided all on my lonesome that this is what my boss will do, I'll draw the strategy up and tell him".
We all know that the consultation process that Madden ran over the GAIC issue was a sham. Four working days after submissions closed on the GAIC tax Madden introduced the bill into parliament. I'd love to see the email that exposes that strategy. I don't think I've ever despised a politician so mu...
Respect !!! My foot Madden
And to think this Government and their supposed Leader chose this bumbling fool to be the Minister for Respect.
What hope is there for Australia with these turkeys in charge (of our mone...
Planning Minister's job at risk
Junior Staff Member
Why do they keep saying Peta Duke is a junior staff member? For a junior staff member she has had an awful lot to say over the last 12 months. I also noticed Madd...
No Respect
I agree with Robyn I no longer trust the Labor Government and have total disrespect for John Brumby and Justin Madden.
I congratulate Robyn in the way she handled the interview, she was very much stronger than Madden who would not answer the interview questio...
The usual
Maybe this demotion is bad karma over a comment she made in November: "Peta Duke, spokeswoman for Planning Minister Justin Madden, said the new growth areas tax was the ''fairest way to help pay for the infrastructure needed by families who will move to some of Melbourne's newest suburbs''." (The Age, 27/11).
This is what she had to say about one of the least fair, most unjust and arbitrary taxes that a misguided government could think up. When I read that back in November, I thought, "How do people who say things like that for a living sleep at night?" I still don't kn...
Planning Minister caught faking public consultatio
The Victorian Labor Government has been caught red handed "Faking public consultation" with the Windsor Hotel debacle. Potential victims of the grossly unfair GAIC Tax, the OMR/E6 and UGB movements were served up the same "Fake Consultation Process" mid last year when on the 17th of June the details were released and the date for all submissions closing on the 17th of July! There was hardly time for a public meeting! What a disgrace!
To rub salt in the wound, less than 48 hours after the submissions closed it was announced the "Draft Legislation had already been written" In other words it was written before the close of submissions with no real need for Labor to read or discuss what the Community, Councils and Industry bodies had to say in their submissions!
There is a clear and obvious pattern of this government faking consultation and making up its mind what the outcome is to be long before the Victorian public is consulted. If this Minister has crooked advisers and department spokespersons, it’s a good indication he is a crook as well. This Government needs to be voted out next election...
We're not alone
Looks like NSW is doing as badly under Labor as we are. Check out a New Matilda article at http://newmatilda.com/2010/03/04/how-nsw-went-septic
Includes:
"These three addresses essentially run the state, with the Parliament little more than a staging area for the circus that is the NSW Government. "
"It is, in fact, so hard to get your head around just how badly Labor has performed that it’s worth a very quick recap. Their record in transport, for example defies belief. Take the gross mistake which was the Cross-City Tunnel. This highly anticipated public-private partnership misjudged traffic uptake, necessity and contractual arrangements. Opening in August 2005, it was insolvent by the end of 2006."
"The long-term effects of NSW Labor on public transport, government transparency, economic and sustainable development have been the equivalent of toxic shock."
Sounds painfully familiar. By the way, I found out how Justin Madden became planning minister. I'm reading a book called The Triumph of the Airheads by Shelley Gare. It's just how the world works now. Read even the first few chapters, and everything will suddenly make sense...
Housing 36 million
Yoyo Government
Just what are we meant to believe from this man or the government?
(please note just another example of Maddens habit of shifting the blame to a third par...
Harry Who!
Who does this guy think he is? Definatley not someone with enough foresight to see this stupid GAIC is a blundering foolish TAX aimed at the wrong people, TAXED at the wrong time and not for the developers to pay but the hard working families that have strived to have the Great Australian Dream.We need to get rid of this State Government at the next election, we need to make sure nobody forgets what they have tried to do and as he says will try to do again if they retain pow...
Housing 36 million
This Labor Government Will reintroduce the GAIC bill if they win the next election so don't be fooled in to a false security that they wont This Labor Government cant wait to get property owners money ...
Vic government faces $85m budget hole
a sonnet of loathe
Victorians must by now be seething in their contempt for Government by the ALP
in this once great country.
Almost every day we hear of their gross ineptitude,unbridled extravagence, hopelessly incompetent judgements. jobs for the boys,rife with nepotism.
How much do I loathe you, let me count the ways.
Bonni...
Hm!
I notice they refer to it as the "Growth Areas Infrastructure Charge (GAIC)" - "charge" instead of "contribution". Nice to see some honesty.
As for the $85 million budget hole, they can cancel the grand prix and they'll cover that within 2 years ($40 million per year). At $20 million, those fairy lights on the Westgate are now looking like even more of a jo...
Vic Govnt faces $85m budget hole
Without counting the number of families which would have faced financial ruin if the GAIC would have gone ahead!
If the Government plans to use ideas such as the GAIC to combat the economic financial crisis then, we need to think carefully about who to vote for in the next electi...
Justin Madden gatecrashes inquiry
Minister's disgraceful display of dishonesty
What an absolute disgrace! This performance by a Minister of Parliament makes the whole process of State Government feel grubby and dirty. This Minister has been reported as having notions about being the Premier some day. If you watch these interviews you quickly realize that can never happen.
Nobody likes a bare faced liar and these interviews reveal exactly that. If you are caught red handed, be man enough to take responsibility instead of using your staff member as a scapegoat.
Better still be honest in the first place, and don't fake public consultations, base policy and legislation on buried faked reports, or manipulate parliamentary inquiries or processes to force through an outcome in line with your prejudged likings.
The Victorian public deserves better. Judge this Minister at the ballot box later this year...
Another one
Now here's some news to madden Victorians
And enliven the tomes of future historians
And make people clutch their heads and say "Blimey!"
For a minister of state has crashed an inquiry
And stormed in and said, "Now listen to me!
"I swear, I take full responsbility
"For a media plan that's a shameful disgrace
"Though I'll insist and insist till I'm blue in the face
"That I'm as thoroughly shocked as all of you
"I knew nothing - I swear, it's true!
"Though I don't want you talking to my media adviser
"Since you might end up a bit too much the wiser
"As to how my department is normally run
"And that wouldn't be at all much fun
"For there might then be another new media storm
"If you cotton on that these tactics are the norm
"So I'll try to make this inquiry all about me
"And just talk and talk till you're all at s...
HIA calls for greater transparency in GAIC discussions
Round 2
So its begins, well it never ended did it?
As long as brumby does what he advocates 'listen to the people' then fair enough, but he is only killing his own political career if he tries to swindle the people again.
Time will tell.....
No Hope in Hell
No hope in hell of Meaningful community engagemnt while our Minister for Planning Madden is in the role. He has lots to learn about Community and expert engagement and advice. I just hate the effect that he is learning on my time and at the expense of my proprty price.
Madden is a Election Liability for the Government expect to see him go so...
New Strategy - Old Trick - Divide and Conquer
Well Maddens advisors must have come up with an oldie but a goodie, divide and conquer.We all know this tax is purely a revenue raising scam, money now to be wasted now with nothing left when it's needed. Perhaps they need more funds for MYKI.
Let's just hope that all industry groups remain unit...
we will not take this lying down the fight goes on
Wasted money by the government is not a reason to hurt the people who did or did not vote them in. My father is still turning in his grave over the way the Labor Gove treat the peopl...
WIndsor Hotel to be redeveloped
One mistake after another
Minister Madden stated "I don't take Media advice from my Media Advisor". I'm having so much fun watching this idiot flush his career down the toilet i'm wetting myse...
But don't expect him to resign
The Brumby Circus really would be funny, if we weren't actually living under it. It's on 365 days a year, and the animals can even talk (though not all very intelligibly).
I doubt Madden's shrewd enough to do a Bracks, Thwaites, Kosky or Theophanous and desert the ship before it sinks. And if Brumby really did encourage his political career (such as it is), Mr Arrogance Knows No Bounds won't be inclined to backtrack and kick him out. Looks like we're stuck with h...
Brumby gets deal on $2bn fringe tax
good
Good, at least we are not in limbo, from what i have read it doesn't look so bad, from what i have read thus f...
Govt still not listening
So Brumby and Madden have struck a deal with the development industry. After 12 months of landowners and caring citizens protesting against this insidious tax, the govt strikes a deal with developers. This is another blatant exercise from a govt who does not listen to public outcry, only those whose economic interests are at their heart.
It will be interesting to see the fine print as this is an out of control government one still cannot tr...
definition of the 30 percent
Now we need to wait to see what they mean by developer purchase? will it be just a reduction of 100% to 30%? if it is we still have a problem, all the issues still apply. if you read the press releace its not clear the way the 30% is levied. Still very suspicious.
Ia...
Boo bloody hoo
Developers will still milk the initial 30% from the vendor (landholder) as a deduction of the purchase price, so in effect the GAIC's is now a tax on landowners equity totalling 30% of $95,000 per hectare. That's still a major impost for having the audacity to own land in a specific are...
The premier and the minister for planning do not appear to understand that there is no "windfall" upon being included in the UGB. Many of the properties that came into the 2005 growth area have increased only marginally after several years. The GAIC is an unfair tax and should not be imposed until the time of developmen...
Tax on Developers
To all taxedout property owners and supporters DO NOT be fooled by Brumby's spin!
It's proven the man cannot be trusted! This burden upon property owners will not go away until we see the back of Brumby & the labour scum, who support this unjust tax on hard working people of Victoria.
Bring on the electi...
will developers pay the 30%?
The developers will certainly ask for 30% cheaper from landowners and then claim tax on that. On the other hand, the increased rates will force the land owners to give in. That's why the developers are very happy to take the decisi...
The easiest way to describe how this tax may affect you is to look at those already inside the Urban Growth Boundary.
Landowners included in the 2005 UGB have already received the windfall gain claimed by the government. Those with long term development prospects have seen little or no discernable uplift in value.
Yet all landowners face a GAIC liability registered on their title. Not for 30%, not for 70%, but for 100% of the GAIC tax. Do not think that only 30% of the tax will be passed back to you. It's on your title and developers will pass back every cent they can and pocket the difference.
This is a secret deal done by developers for developers and landowners are the losers...
Time to Move on
I think that its time we give the government some credit. As land owners we will not be paying this tax. The value of our land will definitely increase in price and the government must find the monmey to pay for infrustructure from somewhere.
I think that you have all done a great job in making people aware of the issues and ensuring that land owners do not pay the tax. its time to get off the back of the government and allow them to move forward with this extremely important initiative.
Just have a look at our fringes, development has hit the outer fringe of the current UGB and new land is urgently required to ensure sufficient land supply. The government has conducted extensive consultation and i am sure most agree that the final issue to resolve is the timing of the payment of the GAIC ($95,000).
Well done Mr Brumby on taking the initiative and ensuring progress on this extremely important iss...
We will still pay!
My property is still at least 10 years from development. Its only 10 hectares I'm surrounded by other small properties and not near reticulated water services. If I need to sell soon what developer is going to want just my property? They'll have another 25 thousand hectares to choose from and a lot of it will be more appealing to them than my property! If I don't sell for development why should I have to pay a development tax? And make no mistake I will pay. No non-developer purchaser is going to pay an extra 30% on top of the value when they can go a few kms up the road and pay no tax. This deal stinks and we should not accept it. Keep fighting Taxed Out! The only people who are happy with this deal are developers or those with large properties poised to sell to developers. Have a thought for us small landowners who helped get you to this poi...
@ Kate, why will you be forced to sell? There is no doubt you property will increase in value, no whatsoever, my advice to you Kate would be to get some crop growing in order to be classified as a primary producer and reduce your tax, rates will increase but not to the point that you would be forced out, a small price to pay fro the eventual gain you will make.
Why is Mohamed comment put in light grey, becuase he disagrees with the majority opinion? I hope not as if that were the case then Taxed out is no better then Brumby. I somewhat agree with Mohamed, the %30 won't come from your pocket if you don't let it frien...
Mohamed's comment
Hi Tony,
I can't work out why Mohamed's comment is in grey - it must be some kind of glitch and definitely not intentiona...
From bankrupsy to ripoff
With the previous sweetheart deal between Labor and certain developers, the original landowners stood to be bankrupted by the 100% of $95,000 per hectare taxed on the transaction of the first sale.
This new so called "Deal" yet again negociated between certain developers and the Labor Government stands to rip off the original landowners instead of bankrupt them. Not good enough! No where near good enough!!
I simply want my land to be worth no less than my neighbour's on the other side of the road which is also the other side of the UGB. Currently my property is worth $95,000 per hectare less than my neighbour because the "Uplift" theory is bullshit for the next 20 or 30 years.
I have lived in the City of Whittlesea all my life and worked in the Construction Industry for 35 years. Believe me Woodstock will not be a Suburb for at least 20 years and Beverige for another 40 years If it ever happens! Meanwhile us original landowners will have to wait a decade or two just to realize the same sale value as our rural neighbours. Keep in mind outside the UGB the property values will keep rising, ours would have to rise at twice their pace to ever make up the $95,000 / hectare we are now behind.
I am not a developer. I refuse to pay 30% of a Developer's tax. We are the only mugs that cannot pass this unfair tax on to the end home buyers, the developers will certainly be doing that! Take this fight to the Election!
Michae...
Who knows what can happen in 10 years?
I wish I had some way of knowing exactly what will happen in my life in the next 10 years or so and I'm also pretty sure that claiming primary producer exemptions is a little more complicated than just "getting some crop in". And isn't it a pretty sure thing that every property owner in Victoria will have a substantial increase in their properties value in the next decade? but they're not all being asked to cop a GAIC tax are they? The tax should be charged at development. We're being penalised for this Government's economic mismanageme...
Wake up
@ Kate the GAA has already begun pre-planning for all areas within the investigation area. Each area is referred to as a 'PSP' and a number accosiated with it (for example PSP 73), give them a call, they will be coy but you might get somewhere or at least perhaps some information regarding timeframes...I suggest you speak to your council's strategic planning department first. No doubt you will have developers knocking your door before that, untill you get the price you want do not sell. I assume you are aware of the worth of your property per sq/m? Residential vs industrial etc etc.
I am amazed at those on this blog, my comment and Mohamed's have been given numerous 'thumbs down' because instead of being angry we are dealing with reality. I suggest you all get your ducks in a row, because it is happening, we can bitch and moan all we like but if you all get your paper work in order then you will all make some serious money, people would kill to be in your position.
And yes, I am a property owner just like you and am affected in exactly the same w...
I am wide awake
Tony I find your comments just a wee bit patronising. I'm on the edge of the new boundary and unlikely to be included in a structure plan for many years. What about the landowners in the exisiting boundary who have seen NO significant increase in values in five years? I admire your optimism but I think your views do not apply to many affected landowners. That's the problem with this tax - there are so many different types of properties and curcumstances but its a flat rate t...
PSP don't develope land!
Don't be fooled by government spin about how quickly they can print out PSP's. The GAA produces PSP's but the speed that land is developed and sold as housing depends purely on "Market Forces", not how quickly they produce PSP's.
The GAIC still only produces 15% of the Infrstructure cost of building homes out in the boom docks! If the government cannot produce the other 75% it will never happen or the price of those homes will be rediculous for first home owners.
Either way it will be many decades before the current investigation area is developed into suburbs. Will you be around in 30 years time? Most of you will not, so you will pay the tax without any windfal...
Just trying to make the best out of the situation.
Not trying to be patronising.
Good Luck to y...
In reply to Mohamed and Tony.. the govt is the only one claiming value uplifts.. I know of people within the existing 2005 UGB that are still waiting for the proverbial 'knock on the door'. You need to really read a bit more about this before you start congratulating Brumby on a "deal well done". There is enough land already held insisde the UGB to keep us going for 20 years. The GAA is partly to blame for this land being withheld (a fact the govt has admitted). There is also a lot of undeveloped land held by Vic Urban which is released slowly, due to pure economics (ie if you flood the market, prices will drop). Therefore the only ones holding the govt to ransom is the govt itself and certain large developers. As I said there is plenty of land still in the old 2002/2005 UGB. There is no need for UGB expansion. If a developer wants to develop land he can do so regardless of UGB,ie Woolahra Waters outside Beveridge and the 2008 UGB. All I ask is for both you guys to delve deeeper as the govt has a fantastic media spinner. This is a govt that is not transparent, not listening and deeply in debt.
You need to understand how developers also work as they do not come knocking on your door...they want your land but negotiate to purchase over an extended time leaving the landowner with high rates as the land will be rezoned which he has to pay as the land is usually placed in a joint venture.
Mohamed and Tony, please understand.. Taxed Out has no political affiliation, it is only fighting for those landowners who can't fight for themselves. Ask yourself, why are particular areas only being targetted? Would you be happy to hand over 50%-more than 100% in some cases in tax to go into state coffers, not necessarily infrastructure. And what about those people who just don't want to sell, who built the family home for themselves and their kids? I'm one of them.. do you want to see me evicted from my own home because I can no longer afford to live here? It's not about money, no amount of money will make me leave.. some people still hold onto old values, such as the family home being a mans castle.
Research more before you side with this insidious govt and this unfair tax... you never know.. it may be targetted at you ne...
I suggest you take your blinkers off
I am very well informed about the topic at hand.
You attack others simply because they have a differing albeit not completely different opinion.
Do not insult me by suggesting I know nothing of the situation, I work in the construction industry and I have affected land JUST LIKE YOU, I am far from ignorant!
I have had my land in the green wedge for a long time, and I can ensure you that every year I have developers knocking on my door, and the value of my land has increased with each knock, but just like you, I do not want to sell.
So to suggest there is no uplift is simply having your blinkers on, perhaps you need to be better informed.
I have never suggested the GAIC in its present form is great, I have suggested that it is an improvement to what it was.
Your comments sound extremely political even though you state you a part of an organization that is not politically orientated, yeah right! God forbid anyone with opposing views, or tries to help and suggest alternatives that may alleviate some of the eventual problems!! Not anymore.
Taxed out, for the record, has done a wonderful job.
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Brumby leaves landowners out of GAIC deal
Opposition
The opposition has been quiet, anyone know there position? Have not seen a single statement from them yet.....
See ABC news report from last night. Matthew Guy has stated that "agreement will still fundamentally hurt landowners on Melbourne's outskirt...
Not very convincing, and still nothing official on their stanc...
Poem
Can’t these morons get anything right?
Oh how I hope they get a fright
On much-awaited November 27
And get sent to ex-politicians’ heaven
Where they can enjoy their unearned perks
And continue acting like thorough jerks
But be deprived of the power to repeatedly make
Life hell for the people of this state
By what right do they propose a tax on land
That won’t be distributed with an even hand
And paid when land is bought anywhere
In the state that’s entrusted to their care?
By what right do they devalue the assets of some?
What have any of these people done
To deserve to lose thirty-thousand per hectare?
By no stretch of the imagination can that be considered fair
Just move the tax to the development stage!
And then everyone could turn the page
But this government doesn’t seem to have a clue
That as it stands, this is a tax on farmers ...
It has been an entire 2 days and still nothing from the opposition in the form of an official media release. To me this means that Mr guy is now very much considering the political ramifications of his next move, not the fundamental issue at hand, the landowners. I hope Iam wrong, but I think they will get it thru' this ti...
Whats on your title is what matters
Regardless of what percentage of the GAIC Tax Developers agree to pay when they buy land the entire Tax will be sitting on your land title. Once it is on your title Only Developers will be able to buy your land, not the general public. The market will be slashed to a fraction of buyers. The developers will then not stop at discounting the 30% of the Tax from their sale offers, they will be in a position to discount the entire 100% of the GAIC Tax. And why would they stop there? If they are the only byers the price will tumble if you are forced to sell. This first sale component regardless of percentage gives developers a choke hold on cheap land. Ramp up the fight or loose your life's work.
Micha...
The Capital Gains tax is enough
I agree with Michael from Woodstock.
We need to ramp up the fight now in order to avoid severe disappointment later. The govts both Federal & State need to realise that most of the land will be subject to 'capital gains' tax when sold. So why do we need an additional tax in the form of the GAIC for ? Is it just because we are all going to enjoy the 'additional uplift' in value? What about all the ordinary residential properties in Melb & the rest of Australia whose values are presently going ballistic anyway ?? Hmmm as landowners we must have different blood to everyone else !! Hence the discrimination !! I say if there has to be a GAIC, then it should be levied at the development stage & as an amount per subdivided lot & not per hectare, so that the buyer of the lot 'cops it' as after all its these people who will enjoy & use the new local infrastructure, anyway. Otherwise no GAIC whatsover !! The CGT is enough !! Fight on...
HIA calls for meaningful GAIC dialogue with all industry groups
Two yes votes don't make a landslide
Brumby's deal only has the support of the Property Council and the UDIA. Four industry groups signed the joint letter against the GAIC last year. Brumby couldn't get all of them to agree to his little deal - it sounds like he didn't even let them join the secret negotiation table.
This "deal" was a lame stunt to get a head start on the dispute resolution committee. More spin from the master! This is not signed and sealed by any means.
We should keep fighting until we get a fair de...
Labor MPs represent their constituents?
I suppose by now people have seen the article in yesterday's Age, "ALP suspends trio for breaking ranks", about Moreland councillors being suspended from the ALP for not voting for Labor's pre-approved mayor. If not it's at http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/alp-suspends-trio-for-breaking-ranks-20100325-qx1c.html
Quotes of note: "According to a decision by the ALP's internal disputes tribunal, the three female councillors had met the five male ALP councillors in November 2009, when it was decided Cr Erdogan ''would be nominated and supported as mayor''.
"The tribunal found this constituted a meeting of caucus and that the councillors were bound by ALP rules that ''no member shall oppose in debate in council any matter which has been determined by caucus, except by agreement of the caucus''.
"The women's decision to change their votes was a ''flagrant, calculated and deliberate breach of the rules'' that required ''severe punishment'', the tribunal stated."
At least now we know for certain how ALP candidates are supposed to operate: they represent ratepayers and constituents at their per...
Renewed government push on infrastructure tax
Secret Deals for Favoured Developers
This is so depressing. Secret deals behind closed doors, this is standard operating procedure for this government. The select group of developers would know that if the legislation is passed they can cherry pick the best properties in the best are...
Secret Deals for Favoured Developers
I would just like to say to the leader of the opposition. You have got the next election in the bag. If you and your team stick to the principles of a fair go. Because this labor government is just full of lies and deceit. So don't buckle when brumby and co try to come after you just carry on and reject that Gaic tax WHEN YOUR TEAM GOES TO THE DISPUTES BOARD then we can all see what sort of a leader you really ...
A message from our Chairman
Time to ramp up and drive this thing home!
Even If 10% of the GAIC is triggered at the "First Sale of Land" within the UGB, 100% of the Tax still sits on your title. That is the crutial point. With that tax scare on your title, Developers and only Developers will buy your land because only developers can pass on the cost on to the end user. Do you think they will settle for a 30% discount of the sale price when there is no competition from the public? Not likely! And If they don't want it because it is too small or too far away from suburbia the price will fall through the floor.
Attitudes are being formed and decisions are being made by all Politicians right now towards this latest GAIC "Deal" for Developers. Our window of opportunity to make them understand how unfairly this proposal treats our most vunerable landowners may be as brief as one or two weeks. Please make as many calls as you can, and send as many Emails and letters as possible to politicians so they know this is a major election issue and they will be held to account for their vote in Parliament.
We are within reach! Its time to ramp up!
Michael
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$2bn infrastructure tax accord appears imminent
Any outcome
So the issues have been highlighted but was ther any outco...
Tell Brumby he's still DREAMING...!!!
The only thing that appears imminent is Premier Brumby’s complete and total ignorance!
The master of spin thinks he can pull-off this GAIC fiasco whilst taking Victoria to hell in a hand basket. And now that his deal with KRudd will leave our state a $Billion short, he’ll desperately need this pilfering land tax bill passed before Victoria’s finances collapse totally (into the abyss). I’ve noticed there’s still no mention of the GAIC being applied anywhere else within our state bar the discriminative few, selective areas on Melbourne’s outer fringes?
Well, in case Premier ‘Ignoramus’ didn’t realise; the cost of infrastructure doesn’t discriminate, unlike him.
‘Spin Doctor John’ is adamant us Melbourne folk should be the only one’s burdened with this hideous new Growth Areas Infrastructure Cash-grab, and he keeps up the proverbial spin in the process; “You’re all going to reap massive windfall profits”...???
If he thinks we’re dancing in the streets with euphoria, he’s sadly mistaken and obviously thinks we’re as stupid as he looks.
As for Justin ‘Harry’ Madden (Brumby’s half-wit partner in crime) Minister for the Respect Agenda & supposed Planning, does anybody know what rock he’s hiding under these days…??...
Sunbury developer backs land tax change
Developers want the GAIC
Developers who already own land in the proposed new urban growth area are happy to accept the GAIC both in its current form and in its original form. First they purchased the land cheap and second they will not have to pay the GAIC until they start selling blocks. These developers with their selfish outlook have missed the whole point of the opposition to the GAIC tax, or maybe not. A significant majority of landholders are happy for there to be an infrastructure tax, it is not the tax it is the timing of when the tax is paid. There are a significant number of people who will be unable to do anything but sit and wait 10 to 20 years before they can sell their properties. They will be prisoners on their own land, unable to sell and foolish to make any improvements. Their rates will likely increase 10 fold. Developers will say sell and get out. Yes but only to a developer and only at his price. No wonder some developers are so keen for this tax to be introduced and in whatever for...
Fate of landowners lies with secret, Labor-dominated committee
Email to Ted Bailieu
Dear Mr Bailieu,
I understand that the Victorian Liberal Party is under great pressure to agree with a so called “Deal” struck between some in the Development Industry and the Labour Party to place a percentage of the GAIC Tax on the first land title transaction after inclusion in the UGB. Debate about who is actually to send in the new land tax to the State Revenue Office is a red herring because if the GAIC is registered on my land title and taxed on my property transaction at sale, then its cost will immediately be discounted off any offer for my home and remote rural property.
Please consider the following facts If any percentage of GAIC is placed on my land title.
• The general public will not want to buy my property. Developers and only Developers can pass on the GAIC to home buyers on subdivision, so the developers will have a monopoly and not have to compete with lifestyle buyers or farmers. With potential buyers dwindling developers will not stop at discounting their offers by 30% of the GAIC they will give themselves any discount they can take, if I am forced to sell my property.
• Small properties like mine and properties at great distance from current developments will be ignored by developers as they don’t buy 20 or 30 years ahead. This will destroy prices.
• If you accept this “Deal” existing land owners will have all choice stolen from them. We will have this Tax stamped all over our titles against our will. This is nothing we are choosing. Developers will carefully calculate the costs and risks and “Choose” to buy land with tax hanging over it. The first home buyers will carefully “Choose” if they are prepared to buy a home in areas where developers pass on all of their costs including the GAIC Tax. The Victims of this “deal”, the original landowners, will have no choice at all.
• The same sham public consultation process exposed when Justin Madden’s office sent the Email regarding the Windsor Hotel redevelopment has been dished out to the existing landowners for the full length of this GAIC debacle. The only views and interests that the Labor Party is interested in hearing are those of their special developer mates. The ones that make big party donations in an election year. Landowners will be victimized to keep certain developers happy regardless of how immoral this “Deal” is.
Mathew Guy and you have stood firm against the unfair treatment of the existing landowners by the Labor Party over many months and I urge you to stand firm now at this crucial stage. My family, my neighbours and most of our community have already decided we will vote against the Victorian Labor Party because of this immoral tax proposal. We have no intention of forgetting being called “greedy spivs and carpetbaggers” and the Victorian Labor Party trying to steal our life’s work and savings in the value of our properties. The question that remains is if the Liberal Party will continue to fight for a fair GAIC Deal for Landowners or will this be left to the minor parties that clearly do not have the votes without your help.
Speaking for my family and friends we will vote in State Elections for the party that defends our homes from a greedy and broke Labor Government.
Regards
Michael and Jocelyn at
Woodstock, 375...
Have Faith in the Libs
As a previus Labor Voter I must say that the Shadow Liberal minister (Matthew Guy)has been looking out for us small Land owners more so than anyone from the Brumby Tax party. So Ted and Matthew many state seats will swing your way, just hold your ground and look after your new future Liberal vote...
GAIC Deal
The Labor Party have steadfastly refused to listen to the concerns of landowners, the people who will directly be affected by this unfair tax.
The Liberal Party, especially Matthew Guy, have listened and understood landowners concerns.
The tax in its proposed form is morally wrong and they should continue to oppose it.
And when the election comes we should all be out helping with the campaign particularly in Labor's marginal seats to get rid of this arrogant governmen...
36 million too many, says Abbott
It looks like Mathew Guy has moved from his policy position and sold out land owne...
I agree
I agree with Troy, Looks like Matthew Guy has sold us out, obviously money talks!! Secret deals done between politians, & bugger the rest of us! Yeah, wonderful small land holders are exempt, but I thought that our fight was for ALL land holders NO MATTER THE SIZE OF YOUR LAND!! YES you've guessed it I am one of those in the lower percent that missed out!! I feel gutted at today's news! What the HELL HAVE I BEEN WORKING FOR THE LAST 30YRS!! Obviously to lace the pockets of the politians! NO JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED... I AM SO PISSED OFF! WT...
Small landowners to avoid growth zone tax
GAIC
I am getting more confused by the minute! If the tax is supposed to be on the developer why is the size of the block relevant ? Trying to make sense of these politicians is doing untold damage to my dwindling grey cells.
Luci...
GAIC - 'Spin Doctor Johns' not so clever CON...!!!
The ‘Disputes Resolution Committee’…?
What a complete and total CON… from that no-good, half-pint; ‘Spin Doctor John’!
Victoria – State of Discrimination!
The Age doesn’t understand too much, or maybe they’re just looking at this GAIC fiasco with eyes wide shut?
The boys and girls of Spring Street are pi**ing in our ears and telling us it’s raining, and have been from the very beginning.
These rampant fools think us Melbourne folk will simply dissipate quietly and bow to their ‘importunate demands’?
Its obvious Victoria’s politicians don’t have the competency, common sense or know how to balance anything fairly or equitably. It does appear they govern for Melbourne only, not Victoria, and as such, we get the ‘Sh*t end of the stick’!
If they think… by exempting smaller landholders from the GAIC they’ll appease the majority so as to avoid the backlash and retribution in numbers, they are sadly mistaken.
The GAIC remains THEFT by legislation and an act of discrimination in all its cash-grabbing, perplexed form.
UNTIL the GAIC is applied across the entire board, i.e. EVERY INCH of Victoria, we the people (us Melbourne folk) will treat this legislation and all the politicians who pedal it, with the absolute CONTEMPT they so deserve.
That said; If Premier Brumby’s property near Harcourt was forced to have this $95,000 per hectare cash-grabbing land tax applied to it, then and only then could we agree with ‘Spin Doctor Johns’ notion that a GAIC is ‘Good for Victoria’...
This is done and dusted. It has passed the lower house as a whole majori...
GAIC DEAL
Lucia this TAX is meant to confuse you. The Government is saying the Developer will pay the TAX assuming they will be the ones buying the land but they have not said that the payment will not be at the 1st point of sale and l'm pretty sure it will be. I rang the planning ministers department to clarify this because all the media l read says the developer will pay the TAX and when l asked the question, so if i sell to someone else other than a developer is the Tax to be paid and the answer was y...
Well said, Gerard
Gerard,well said. To the point and make sense.This Government sits on our heads, and tells us what they want to do with our properties because they got the right to do so. Where is our victorians righ...
Amended GAIC to be debated on 25th May
Missed it by that much ...
I am the lucky owner of 11.5 hectares of GAIC-impacted land, completely surrounded by allotments under the threshold. Fancy my chances of fairing well when I need to sell? I'm off to pour myself a stiff drink ...
Well Done taxed out
Even though all was not achieved Taxed out has done an awesome job getting the GAIC pushed to this point.
Thank y...
The whole thing's flawed
The nett outcome of this revised bill is that it has effectively created a situation where owners of large landholdings will delay selling to developers for as long as possible in an effort to recoup, via increasing land values, the 30% of GAIC deduction that potential purchasers will be attempting to negotiate (read extort). In the interim, smaller properties will increase in value dramatically due to the fact that alternative new developments will have a premium of $95000 per hectare attached to them by the time they become homes.
Lack of foresight has just made Victorian home ownership even less affordab...
Amended GAIC set to pass through the Upper House t
See what happens when you trust the opposition partys? they let us all down it just goes to show us they're a pack of GRUBBY LITTLE MEN promise us the world and give nothing. Typical politician WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO VOTE THEY WILL ONLY SCREW YOU OVER NO MATTER WHO YOU VOTE FO...
Gaic
Gaic can only be fair if 1.gaic charged when its ready for development, 100%. 2.pay according to per hac. I think this is the only fair way for all the land owners. Why this Government made it all complicated, wasted people's tax money is beyond my understanding.People gain more pay more, gain less pay less. When things are distorted, the real motive will go unnoticed. What's the true stor...
rates
I guess we all knew it would go through in some sort of form eventually. Thanks to all the taxed out team for trying to fight the GAIC I attended many meetings and protest rallies in support and it was shame that not more people attended. A big concern now is of course when the zoning changes to residential on our rural properties what rates are the councils going to sting us wit...
Commercial Farmers the Losers
It is the commercial farmers or land owners of more than 10ha who will bear the brunt of this legislation. It is clear the politicians of both parties do not care about thos who put the food on their table.
Taxed Out has done a fantastic job of taking on this government. I think come November that Brumby and his mob should get kicked out of offi...
gove debate date set
GAIC to be Debated on the 25 th May so good luck al...
Politics to prejudice Landowners
Hi Mr Methew Guy, I believe the Coalition doesn't like the politics to prejudice landowners.How about, if you were a developer and looking for a land to develop.Would you buy a land that is 10.1 ha. or 10 ha? There is one million dollars difference! Any business man knows the secret of running a success business.Is it 80% or 90% landowners ok now, the rest have to suffer? Put yourself into those people's shoes, how do you feel? I don't even bother to ask the Labor to think about it, but you, the Coalition to think again about this.
As a matter of fact, NO landowners should pay till the development stage. then pay 100% per ha. In this way, there will be no manipulations,no prejudice by politics, no hassles. Why not choosing the simple way ? :D...
Smoke & mirrors
Just read the government's media release. If it were possible, my opinion of Madden would have sunk even lower as a result of the line "Developers will pay 30 per cent of the GAIC liability when they purchase land, with the remaining 70 per cent to be deferred and paid in stages as the land is subdivided". Using the word "developers" when everyone has to pay it is deliberately deceptive - because developers will indeed pay it, but so will everyone else!
I sent a letter to the Herald Sun explaining this after they ran an article about the GAIC on 4th May and wrote, "The draft laws also set in place an agreement that only 30 per cent of the contribution is paid when land is bought by a developer", but they didn't run it. I'll keep trying. I'll bet the govt has successfully conned most Victorians (and journalists) into believing this is a tax that only developers will pay.
As for Madden's comments about "public transport infrastructure", does he really mean infrastructure (trains and trams), or just buses? I still maintain that buses aren't infrastructu...
Fight for all GAIC victims
Its time for every single landowner that's been dragged into this greedy, grubby GAIC tax net, to stand up for those still victimized by this tax proposal. Make the time right now to send Emails to the Libs, the Greens, and the news papers and "opinion" sections demanding a fair GAIC.
The farmers, medium property owners and anyone with more than 10 Hectares are still having part of their life's work stolen from them. Stand up and scream bloody murder! They deserve our help now more than ever, because they helped save your properties!
Don't let Matthew Guy off the hook! Demand he stands his ground to defend all existing landowners if he wants our votes at the upcoming election! At this point in time, only the Green's are demanding a "Parliamentary Inquiry" into the GAIC proposal on the 25th of May. My family and I will actively campaign against any and all parties that vote for GAIC prior to development.
Every politician must be made to answer for their vote on the GAIC when we vote at the State Elections. Forgive nothing and forget nothing!
Start printing the letter drops now!
Michael at Woodstock
May 9th 201...
Politicians back flip
I would like to know on what grounds the Liberals have based their decision to do a backflip ( I thought that was a Labour perogative) For 12 months the Liberal politicians have been consistent in their comments of stating their policies then when the crunch comes they do a double backflip with a few minor concessions -they have certainly not done any thing to encourage us to vote for them if they can promise one thing then change their minds without explaining why -A FULL & DETAILED EXPLANATION IS REQUIRED BY TED BALLIEU & MATTHEW GUY if they expect our supp...
I'm so confused ?????
So if a developer purchases 10 lots land (each 9.999999999999 hectares in size) nexty to each other.....do they pay zero dollars GAI...
No GAIC would be payable when these blocks were purchased (provided they were clearly seperate sales) - only when the land is actually developed. However if that same developer (or in fact any purchaser) bought that land as one 99 hectare block then $2.82 million dollars in GAIC would be payable upfront, which would of course have a huge impact on the selling price. It all defies log...
Where's Judas?
Hmmm... not sure how he was left off. Matthew's email address was further down on the home page, but it has now also been added to the legislative council li...
gaic
so far we are one of the lucky ones but lets all remember where we all were headed 18 months ago this grubby peice of legislation was going to be sneaked thru with as little information as possible if it wasnt for the efforts of taxed out we were all going to cop it up the backside lets direct our anger at the scource brumby and maddenand make them pay at the next election and support big ted and g...
gaic
i am one of the lucky ones at this stage. lets all remember back 18 months when tiny bits of information trickled out about this wonderful new contribution and how us greedy landowners were about to receive huge windfall gains as a result of being included in the new ugb well i am waiting and will be for a while yet with out the efforts of taxed out we were all being sold up the river by brumby the spin doctor and the footballer madden lets direct our anger back to them next november not ted and guy who have at least attended our rallies and listened to our concerns and won some concessions cos without their support we would all be hung out to dry personally i was born a labour supporter a shop steward for many years union member all my working life worked at fed square and the wharf for many years but will never ever vote labour ever again after this tax by stealth was tried to be sneaked in by this incompetant bunch of los...
Done and dusted
We'll scrap the GAIC agreement: Libs
Yeah right
As if they would scrap it, why agree to it!
I wouldn't rust this as far as i could through a car!
Bunch of liars! They would never creat a massive hole in their budget nev...
Coalition claims a win for landowners
gaic tax
I for one Would really like to know how the GAIC tax Really works Please correct me if im wrong If your got land over 10 hectares you pay gaic tax If you haven't you pay nothing Is this correct And if so why would you believe what the liberals are saying That they will change it Why would they its more revenue for them If they win the next election Afraid to say the coalition is full of shit just like labour you cant trust any of them ...
ANOTHER GAIC PROMISE
Dear Matthew
You have stated that should the Liberals win power that they will reverse the GAIC decision. This assumes you have control of the lower house and can introduce the amendments required and also assumes you gain support from minor parties in the upper house. - a highly doubtful claim.
If you support the GAIC tax in two weeks you lose an army of landholders prepared to do just about anything to get you elected.
One of those is Lido from the South East Group of Taxed Out – he has mail dropped over 6000 homes many of those in Altona during the By-election and he lives in Frankston.
He also mail dropped 2500 in Gembrook and 2000 in his own electorate. He wept when he found out what you had done, he owns 11 hectares.
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GAIC tax
so much for principal policy. this desnot get you anywhere .bitterly disapoint...
A message from the Greens
At last
Well here's some common sense! If The Greens didn't exist they would have to have been invent...
Inquiry
Dear Greg
I totally agree with you, and support your recommendation, there should be an inquiry but how do we implement this inquiry when the Labour government considers themselves above the law!? and the Liberals have no balls to push for the inquiry to support y...
HEY GREG, YOU SCRATCH MY BACK AND I VOTE FOR YOU????
No thanks, I am pretty sure most people want VC55 to go through, unless they want to keep working, the issue is the GAIC not VC...
Land tax 'not hidden': HAVE YOUR SAY
The Labor Government were happy to sell poker machine licenses for1 billion less than what they could have got from Tatts Group and Tabcorp. Industry experts estimate the state government may have raked in up to $1 billion more if it had structured the auction of poker machine licenses differently. Gee that 1 billion might have built some infrastructure. Yet Brumby is hellbent on financially destroying landholders on Melbourne's outskirts. If Brumby wants to introduce this development tax in its current form , why discriminate and attack a minority just on Melbourne's fringe, he should introduce it statewide and then face the electorate this year with it in place and see how he goes. But Brumby wont do that he prefers to pick on the little g...
Stand up for owners, Ted
GAIC
Mr Baillieu you stood in the Beveridge Hall beating your chest about never allowing such a tax to be imposed on land owners. You have now apparently caved in to the demands of developers and the Labour government to allow this obscene tax through.
By reducing the people effected with 10 hectare properties or more you have made no friends. This whole policy process has been dictated by divide and conquer methods from the start, and now back room negotiations reeking of untrustworthy and unscrupulous politicians
Mr Guy you can talk all you like about reversing the tax if elected because the people effected by your backflip now know that your words hold no value!
Ted show some backbone and vote this tax o...
Prove it on the 25 May 2010
Dear Matthew Guy
How can we believe what you are saying that if you are elected in 7 months that you will change the GAIC and that it is imposed at the compliance statement stage? You have been saying for the last 15 months at numerous rallies and public meetings that the only way you will accept the GAIC if it is levied on the developer upon development for all landowners no matter the size of land.
Why should we believe you now? Typical politician, all spin, no substance!
If you really want to prove yourself you have the 25 May 10 when the legislation is debated in the upper house, or are the Liberal politicians all "in co-herts with Labou...
Courage
To Ted and the Liberals
When a storm is coming galahs all fly to the trees. The eagle is the only bird that flies into the sto...
Truthful media reporting at last
Pinocchio’s nose grows longer every day
As he pretends only developers will have to pay
A land tax of the most unjust sort
That anyone with the capacity for thought
Would baulk at if they only knew
Private citizens will have to pay it too
Most of the media’s fallen for the government’s lies
But thank heavens for The Weekly Ti...
GAIC still to be registered on title
Weekly Time Article
Please add your comments to the Weekly Times web site article "Coalition Tax Deal Woeful" web link http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2010/05/13/186921_national-news.h...
Dont Cry for me Victoria
Greetings comrades - well the commuinist party will surely send this state into bankruptcy. Brumby the bumbling bozo and the left footed lumbering goose from fantasy land have been lying awake at night dreaming of ways on how to rob the people of Victoria. This GAIC tax will plunge this state into an abyss of destitution
that will never be recovered from.
The government will in fact have to pay compensation to all these affected landowners. Reason being that the banks will not lend money on land that is devalued to the point of zero dollars.
The crippling of this capital will result in widespread poverty in these areas and latter move on to the mainstream property sectors. The cost
in economic terms will be catastrophic.
One final point it is interesting to note that the MAB development and Stockland holdings on Donnybrook Rd will
not pay one cent of GAIC tax on 2000
acres of land.They have actually been
given federal goverment grants of $9000000 million dollars for a storm water recycling plant. If we dig futher it would not surprise that they probably dont pay any rates or land tax on these holdings. But even these subsidised developers must be wondering
about the knock on effects in the future.
Argentina is not far aw...
November
I very highly doubt, considering the housing affordabilty crisis that the Liberals are going to defeat this legislation, it is politcal death, we all know this. Our hope lies in the election, vote liberal and God willing they will reverse it as they have stat...
Ted, please block these criminals
Dear Ted, the Brumby tax party are crooks and only you have the power to stop this criminal activity. Neither Brumby nor Rudd and thei F@#$!&g labor party will ever get my vote aga...
Theft by Legislation
Typical Brumby, has time to visit China, but no time or could NOT be bothered to address the people that he is trying to fleece. We deserve an explanation, lots of questions, but no truthful answers.
A thief pulls a gun and robs you of your savings you turn to the police, Brumby sticks an unjust GAIG legislation and robs you of your life's work. Who do we turn to for justi...
Questions over land deal
One GAIC Law for Labour mates another for the rest
This is typical of the Victorian Labor Government, one law for Labor Party mates and supporters and another for the struggling farmers. From my calculation this Labor Party mate avoids having to shell out $19.1m GAIC. Where is the justice in this?
This gives the Opposition good reason to vote down the GAIC amendments in the Upper House on May 25.
It is time Madden, Brumby and the Labour Government are made accountable for their actions. We need to know the truth about this dodgy land deal...
Purchase of land by major Labor Party donor
The Major Labor Party donor who puchased land in the north of Melbourne one day before the proposed GAIC will come in if it gets passed in the Upper House, must have remarkable psychic abilities,be extemely lucky,or has friends in high places.
If the Liberals help vote this tax in, in it's present form, they will be judged as being as untrustworthy as Labor. I will never vote Labor again, they do not stand for the workers or the ordinary person in the street,they only stand for big busine...
Labor Party Donor
It has to be questioned why the Labor Party Donor's land settle right before the Gaic policy ? Is this Australia ? What's happening he...
Lucky Man
He bought the land, the land was selected as a freight terminal, the government new project. He settled the land, next day the GAIC was introduced. What a lucky man ! It seems everything he touchs turns into gold. Let's find out how he did it. Maybe the labor party has to tell us.
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INTRASTRUCTURE TAX DEAL
The Brumby & Madden labour party regimes "negotiated way forward" has moved the goal posts again to the detriment of an unrepresented tiny discriminated minority (disportionately elderly farmers) who now find their right to access the equity in their properties to fund continguencies TODAY (especially aged care) has been STOLEN.
Most farmers in this category own properties that will not be developed in the short term, some are desperate for funds today, and have discovered that Centrelink deems them as wealthy self funded retirees who must pay aged accommodation bonds and care fees at the highest ratess; lending institutions deem their property "NOT READILY SALEABLE" which translates into they cannot borrow against the equity in their perceived "millions; and Centrelink don't have a catgegory for LOCAL REFUGEES seeking hardship consideration.
A short sighted greedy labour regime has created this desperate situation for these people, and it up to politicians of all persausions to find an immediate SOLUTION!
So many other aspects of this sham complex and unworkable tax theft need clarification ... the call for an enquiry by the Greens Party must by supported as it seems the last hope for any common sense to prevail.
Even Hitler factored in euthanasia when dispossing poor condemned souls unfortunate enough to find themselves in his way. I guess a DVD from BeyondBlue is the best one can expect from this l...
GAIC bill has been voted through the Upper House
To compromise or face the original GAIC
So now we have to live with the GAIC.
The Liberal Party and in particular Matthew Guy have been condemned by many on this site.
We shouldn’t be venting our anger at the Liberals, we should be thanking them.
While this result is not what many of us wanted, the Liberal Party has done the best it could under difficult circumstances.
If the Liberals had not negotiated and the Labor Party were re-elected in November we would have faced the likelihood that Labor would call a joint sitting of Parliament, reintroduce the original bill, force it through and we the landowners would be forced to pay 100% of the GAIC.
Instead of now blaming the Liberal Party for an about face we must remember who were the architects of this GAIC legislation and get behind the Liberal Party and work together to get them elected in November so that the GAIC legislation can be changed to 100% liability at the time the land is rezoned and then paid by the developer.
A protest vote against the Liberals at the November election, where you give your vote to the Greens or somebody else, is simply a vote for Labor and therefore no change to the GAIC.
Use your anger against Brumby and Madden not against those that have tried to help us...
Thanking Taxed out
Again I say thank you to Taxed Out for all the hard work.
The result is much better from when this bill was first introduced.
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Remember who the real enemy is
Peter I agree with you. What's done is done - let's now get behind the Libs. Working against them will only increase the likelihood that Labor will get back into power and that is bad news whichever way you look at ...
democracy lives
a long hard fight, the outcome better for some than others, but relief for everyone. Many thanks to all taxed out membe...
To Michael and the entire Taxed out team you guys have done a great job and without you many of us would have been in fiancial ruin.
To the Liberals, thank you for all you have done and I appologise for all those times I voted for the Labor criminals.. Never again Brumby.. Libs for me from now on..
And for my last line of contribution I just want to remain professional and respectful as well as polite by saying Minister Madden is a Fu#$*ng d-he...
We still have work to do
I totally agree with you Peter, we all knew the deal would be done. We must now keep up the pressure, get behind the Liberals, vote them in in November and get them to live up to their promise of charging the GAIC at point of Development.
Matthew Guy has made that promise to all Landholders so we should get behind him and the Liberals to vote them ...
Its not over
We will have to make sure the Liberal-National coalition get voted into power at the next election and the comment made by them to alter the GAIC so that it is paid by those seeking to develop the land be honou...
Thank you
Thank you to the team at Taxed Out.
I would also like to thank the Greens, Peter Kavanagh from the DLP and Liberals for supporting landowners and rejecting Labors original bill.
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I totally agree with the previous comments and say Thank you once again to the Taxed Out committee for their tireless efforts. I am ready to walk my legs off letterboxing before the election. We must educate the electorate a few crumbs at a time.
Lu...
You people have all been Conn cant anyone see that the liberal party will support labor in getting VC67 rectified Because if they don't labor will use it against them at the next election its just 1 big Co...
A message from the Green Wedges Coalition
Move the ugb
I’m definitely not one of those who want to stay on green wedge land. I want to see the ugb moved and so do most of my neighbours who own large parcels of land close to the UGB. Melbourne needs more land released to make way for more affordable housing. If the greens had their way we can forget our land ever being released in the future!! A state of homeless people with no affordable housing ever!!! Melbourne’s population is growing everyday. I believe the greens want to shove more people into high-rise buildings cramping up an already cramped up city (Melbourne) Get real Green wedges coalition who are you kidding!!!! Greens how are you going to house a growing population without releasing more land??...
move the ugb
Gotta agree with REBA.
If The greens are really serious they should lobby the government to purchase land around Melbourne thats not likely to be required for housing for years and years to come now before it becomes VALUABLE.
This way they can have all the future green wedge land they will ever need.
I suspect those who are clamouring for green wedge retention are probably those who expect everything for nothing.
Geron...
UGB to move soon!
Well said Reba!!
But hang on they we also have the NIMBY's on the other side also! Im guessing these people all own rental properties and want to be able to jack up their rental prices!!
The UGB and activity centre's are a wise planning move, lets hope the Greens and this useless coalition don't stuff our future!
Thankfully the Libs are not going to oppose VC67 and we can on move on with thi...
Useless coalition?
Anyone who thinks the coalition are useless after the improvements they achieved on the GAIC is either a developer or a green...
New UGB maps now available
Awesome now pass it thru parliment so we can all get on with our lives!
Hopefully next week they can put it thru!
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Well said Tony. Agree with you all the way!...
Latest news on VC67
Feed Up
Im not sure about you guys but this nonesense is starting to piss me off.
I am sick to death of waiting for these jerks to stop acting like kids and get on with the job, the UGB is going to move now they play politics with all our lively hoods. I'd love to stick Madden and Guy in one room and belt them both until they stop bickering and start being producti...
Fed up2
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CALP CALP CALP!!!!
The same goes for me Tony. I have totaly had it with these jerks too, including the GREENS!
One minute its on next its off again.
First the GAIC headaches and now the UGB. What's ne...
Listening to Justin Madden makes me sick he was a great footballer but a useless minister. Madden is fully to blame for the failing of the recent bill, why would you bundle Inner Melbourne Housing Density and Urban expansion as well as everthing else into one bill knowing that this complexity would make it fail..
Brumby & Madden what are you up to, it is evident you don't want this bill to go through. Just remember when you go down at the next election that you will be remembered for incompetance and the greatest Tax injustice ever, GAI...
madden v guy
Yeah we are all sick of it, but from my reading of everything Matthew Guy offered to sit and negotiate with Madden on the GAIC for months and Madden refused to. Matthew Guy also offered to negotiate with Madden over VC67 but again Madden ignored him. I think perhaps you should just be alone with Madden in the room. For all of us, for all the heartache and stress we have been through we would hope your "negotiations" go well with him...
VC67 Planning Amendment.
"Tony" does not appear to understand that the Brumby Government has attempted to con Victorians by trying to bulldoze through an "omnibus" Planning Amendment - VC67. That is - its got everything rolled into it. (Just listen to Jon Faine's interview with Justin Madden and Matthew Guy.) Not only is extension of the urban growth boundary (UGB)included in it but provisions for high rise residential development along tram and bus routes in Melbourne and new transport routes.
All of this is aimed at cramming in 1.5 million more people by 2030. (And guesss who will profit? The developers.) The issues covered by the Planning Amendment VC 67 should be brought up to Parliament separately - Planning Minister Madden has had years to do it Government. The Opposition - Matthew Guy Shadow Minister for Planning is the spokesperson - has baulked at the Government trying to fast track all these major legislative changes through in one package. So who's to blame for this complete planning schermozzle? The Government.
Our new PM has has a rethink on the Big Australia but Brumby is still stuck on promoting a Big Victoria - more population more growth more residential development more freeways.
Landowners may think that they will get a good deal if the UGB is extended but given the Government's track record can it be truste...
re: VC67 Planning Amendment.
Sorry Julianne I disagree, and trust me I am very well versed in planning matters as it consumes my daily life, so your attempt to belittle my understanding of the planning system simply shows your ignorance.
Changing one thing in planning requires satisfaction of various parties, the Greens, the NIMBY's, the Opposition and the list goes on. There is way too much beurcratic crap to get the simplest things done, which is why the planning system is shot to hell. If you honestly believe that this current debate between Guy and Madden has anything to do with what’s best for Victoria’s planning then I feel sorry for you, it’s simply political and a slug fest between the to see who has got the biggest appendage!
Julianne, I see you are actively against urban expansion, so tell me how many properties do you own that will benefit from higher density? How much rent are you planning to bring in???? Its all so easy to blame the evil developers, but the fact is we are a small population and it is inevitable that we will grow, unless you are one of those completely racist types that wants to shut Australia’s door and or enforce a one child policy……… take it off topic slightly and answer this, we hold a vast majority of the southern hemispheres natural minerals, we have much more broader issues of security come long term if we don’t have enough people in this nation to defend it, that’s reality!
You advocate protecting Green Wedges but let me tell you that I can ensure you that %90 of Green Wedges are not green at all but simply Brown, yes yes I have had all the environmental tests done to my property, and guess what nothing is there!
You see “Julianne” I have as much contempt for you as I do the Government, the Opposition, the Greens and all other lobbyist parties that ultimately play with my livelihood and the livelihood of all members of the forum, you are simply pushing your own agenda and you do not care you gets hurt on the way.
So I DO NOT TRUST YOU any more then I trust the Government.
Sincerely
“Tony...
Posted comments
Tony,
Delay in posting comment was due to me being away for a few days. Unfortunately we don't have full-time office staff - just hard-working volunteers! :D
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A taxed out fan
Tony how can you be sceptical of Taxed Out after what they achieved for landowners? The committtee all worked so hard for us for months and I for one will always be grateful. This is a really good forum for people to air their views and let's be thankful that we live in a country where everyone is free to voice their own opinio...
VC67
Hey Tony, you have hit the nail right on the head!!...Totaly, totaly, agree with you 100 percent. Everything you just said is sooo true.
Chee...
Greed
Dear Landowners
I beg you not to turn into the greedy people that Madden accused you of being.
Don't prove Madden right now you not have to pay a huge tax bi...
re: A taxed out fan
For the record i did post a response to Julianne Bell's comment however it seems the moderators of this site have chosen not to publish it, this makes me extremely sceptable of taxed out.
Disgusted!You let this hippy make comment that effects my life and the life of so many others that have supported taxed out yet you begin to sens...
VC67 horror continues
The current GAIC remains a immoral disgrace. Especially for farmers and folks out on the extremes of the new UGB. But don't so quickly forget that the Greens, Peter Kavanagh, and Matthew Guy have stopped Brumby and Madden from legalizing the stealing of many more of our properties.
If the E6, as a 6 lane Freeway Through the heart of the City of Whittlesea had any community support or worthwhile purpose it would stand alone on it's own merits. And be passed.
If lining Suburban transport routes with multi storey flats had any community support and the people of Melbourne couldn't wait to duplicate Sydney's example of a liveable city then that would stand on its own merits and be passed.
They are being bundled together to use the UGB movement to bulldoze Victorians into accepting dreadful planning changes that are designed to reward a small group of developers that the Labor Government accepts election donations from. Its the same small set of "Special developer mates" that you and I have been shafted by since the GAIC was first conceived.
Stand together and continue to fight for the complete removal of the GAIC on landowners and the ridiculous duplication of the Hume and Craigieburn bypass with an unwanted E6 Freewa...
The plough is mightier than the sword ...
Go Greg
This is amazing - Greg you're a legend. Where do I get my 'ALP OUT' bumper stick...
Well Done Greg
Well Done Greg...
ALP Out
Well done Greg Heffernan...
Welcome to Melbourne Folks!
Its pretty easy for visitors to Melbourne to tell that the State Labor Government is ripping off farmers and Landowners.
I think even Premier Brumby will be able to read the writing on this wall, as we head into electio...
ALP OUT
Brilliant!! Well Done, and thank you Greg Heffernan! I'm now better able to explain more clearly to so many just what stress this delayed debacle and GAIC theft is doing to me and my family and neighbour...
I wonder how much the Labor Party is paying the person who keeps clicking on the thumbs down symb...
The UGB expansion has been approved by Parliament.
Voting plans
Now that I'm screwed over, guess where I'm placing my vote. My turn to make someone else feel my pa...
UGB Expansion Approved
Taxed Out members were in Parliament today to witness the parliament approve the Urban Growth Boundary expansion. Some members will be pleased and others will be disappointed.
All agree however that the insidious GAIC tax should be levied when land is developed rather than sold. You can expect further announcements on this issue in coming weeks.
Now the boundary has moved all landowners in the UGB will have a Land Tax Notice registered on their title, even those under 2.023 who thought they were totally exempt.
I urge you to help yourself and your neighbours by volunteering to assist in the McEwen pre polling that starts next week. Contact your committee to find out what you can do.
Over 12 months ago Julia Gillard's Office was asked to help represent those in her electorate that are caught up in the GAIC Tax. A request for a meeting with Taxed Out was refused despite many residents in Melton, Tarneit and Rockbank living in her electorate. Now she wants help from you on election day.
You can send a message to both State and Federal Labor by helping members of Taxed Out who live in the marginal seat of McEwen.
No government should get away with or stand by and allow land owners to be dispossessed of their property rights.
If it happens here in Victoria it will soon spread. All Australian property owners should be concerned.
Volunteer and make a difference.
Michael Hock...
labor has to go
Madden & the Labor govt have definitely lost their connection to the general public, like Alice they have lost touch with reality, hell bent on creating their own fantasy world, Madden is the fat slug smoking on his hookah, Brumby smiling Cheshire cat that disappears when asked a question. Time to bring in Bailleu, the White Queen who will request "Off with his head!"
This state can no longer afford to carry this farce they call a governme...
Self-Congratulatory Media Release
“The Greens Political Party has not achieved a single thing while holding the balance of power in the Upper House for the last four years."
What a crock from Madden's media release. What about the Select Committee on Train Services, which investigated why LABOR's train system crashed in January 2009? As of last Tuesday's farce, it's looking even more necessary...
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